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MaxSmift
Tue Sept 21 2010, 02:36PM Print
MaxSmift Registered Member #3220 Joined: Tue Sept 21 2010, 02:08PM
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Hi,
I'm designing coilgun and I have a problem which I'm not able to solve.
So here's my question:
How can I choose the best coil for my gun? Is there an equation to find the force of solenoid or other physical quantity which will allow me to compare coils?
Thank you for your answers.
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woxxey
Tue Sept 21 2010, 03:07PM
woxxey Registered Member #1906 Joined: Sat Jan 03 2009, 05:06PM
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I don't know much about the equations but Barry has got a couple of nice applets on his site that may help you find the optimal coil size for your needs. They don't deal with the force though.
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MaxSmift
Tue Sept 21 2010, 03:44PM
MaxSmift Registered Member #3220 Joined: Tue Sept 21 2010, 02:08PM
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Yes, I know Barry's site and his simulators but there isn't anything about chosing the best coil which will provide the best force (and what follows the best acceleration).
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Barry
Tue Sept 21 2010, 11:00PM
Barry Registered Member #90 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:44PM
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Tell me more about how you would define "best coil"?

This is an elusive definition, as the answer can range from electrical considerations to price and weight and ease-of-construction (think: liquid nitrogen?) and altogether a myriad of factors.

The reason we have no simple or analytic solution for force is that it's highly dependent on 3d geometry and material properties and applied current. For example, any coilgun of interest will be operating with enough current to enter the non-linear portion of the ferrous material's B-H curve. Furthermore, the material's response depends on its position in relation to the coil.

To really analyze and understand the "best" coil for any given situation, you need to run a finite-element magnetics modelling program, and program it to nudge the piece along its path while solving for forces at each step. There are some examples on my FEMM Modelling pages.

Cheers, Barry
If you're not scared or angry at the thought of a human brain being controlled remotely, then it could be this prototype of mine is finally starting to work.
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Turkey9
Wed Sept 22 2010, 03:54AM
Turkey9 Registered Member #1451 Joined: Wed Apr 23 2008, 03:48AM
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This question has been asked a bunch of times before, so you might get more information if you search for similar topics instead of waiting for people to repeat their posts.
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TheMerovingian
Wed Sept 22 2010, 09:19AM
TheMerovingian Registered Member #14 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:04PM
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There's not something as the "best coil" but the best coil for a given projectile and energy level exist and it is determined by calculation or experimental setup modulation.
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MaxSmift
Wed Sept 22 2010, 05:12PM
MaxSmift Registered Member #3220 Joined: Tue Sept 21 2010, 02:08PM
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Barry, thank you for tour exhaustive answer. I'll look closer at FEMM and your examples as soon as possible.

TheMerovingian, can you tell me more about calculating the best coil for a given projectile and energy level?
I want to compare similar circuits with different coils to find the one which will provide the best acceleration of projectile.

Thank you for your help
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TheMerovingian
Thu Sept 23 2010, 02:59PM
TheMerovingian Registered Member #14 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:04PM
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There are some generic guidelines. Such as the lenght should be similar to projectile lenght, the external diameter as small as possible, the resistance and inductance chosen to have a pulse width compatible with your speed goal, etc.
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MaxSmift
Thu Sept 23 2010, 03:41PM
MaxSmift Registered Member #3220 Joined: Tue Sept 21 2010, 02:08PM
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So there's no mathematical method to compare two (or more) coils? Are there only the guidelines?
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GhostNull
Fri Sept 24 2010, 12:42PM
GhostNull Registered Member #2648 Joined: Sun Jan 24 2010, 12:45PM
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Yes, the best you can do is make sims and get an aproximate coil design and optomise from there. It would be possible to design a perfect coil but I would require alot of time skills and expensive simulation software.

The best method is to estimate then trial and error from there.
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