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Azaroth
Wed Jan 27 2010, 02:48AM Print
Azaroth Registered Member #2652 Joined: Mon Jan 25 2010, 11:36PM
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I know the basics about the rail gun. I know that it requires a high voltage pulse to create the strong magnetic fields between the rails. Instead of a few (or more) high voltage capacitors would it not also work to use a marx generator? Sorry if this is a stupid question but I have been looking at the whole subject of electricity for some time and I just don't understand it.

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Azaroth
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rp181
Wed Jan 27 2010, 03:23AM
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Magnetic field strength is porportional to the current, not voltage. The reason that a high(er) voltage is used is so it can over come resistance (ohms law), and more current will be drawn. A marx generator creates excessive voltage, but can not supply the current to take advantage of that (Unless you have a huge marx gen).
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Azaroth
Wed Jan 27 2010, 03:46AM
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Okay, that makes sense. But would a large marx generator work? I know that they give off a slight emp so wouldn't a generator to the size needed actually fry all electronics in the area? And how would building an even larger marx generator increase the current. Wouldn't that just increase the voltage even more than it already is? Forgive me but I really can't put the difference between joules current and voltage in perspective either. NO matter how i look at it, it just won't stick.

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Azaorth
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Turkey9
Wed Jan 27 2010, 04:54AM
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I think when he say bigger marx gen he means one with insanely large capacitors. The bigger the capacitor, the more current you will be able to draw. The reason this is hard is because caps that big at high voltages are easily a few hundred each even when found used and surplus.
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Azaroth
Wed Jan 27 2010, 05:09PM
Azaroth Registered Member #2652 Joined: Mon Jan 25 2010, 11:36PM
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Okay thanks Turkey =)
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Hon1nbo
Wed Jan 27 2010, 11:38PM
Hon1nbo Registered Member #902 Joined: Sun Jul 15 2007, 08:17PM
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Azaroth wrote ...

Okay, that makes sense. But would a large marx generator work? I know that they give off a slight emp so wouldn't a generator to the size needed actually fry all electronics in the area? And how would building an even larger marx generator increase the current. Wouldn't that just increase the voltage even more than it already is? Forgive me but I really can't put the difference between joules current and voltage in perspective either. NO matter how i look at it, it just won't stick.

Thanks
Azaorth

here is a good analogy I have NEVER had fail with anyone I have met that can put everything in perspective:

the voltage is like the pressure in a pipe, it is only the pressure of what is in the pipe, it has nothing to do with the material flowing through the pipe. The current is the fluid flowing through the pipe. A high voltage at a low current can be compared to having compressed air hit you. the same voltage at the same current it can be compared to the pipe having the same pressure, but instead of air it is water, which hurts a lot more. The voltage is the pressure that moves the current through the circuit. the resistance is like pushing that fluid uphill, you need more pressure (voltage) to do it.

Joules are the measurement unit for Energy: it can be compared to the work done by anything or potential work that could be done. For example, in the water pipe say it has a certain number of joules. That water strikes an object that is pushed by the water, moving a distance. Increasing the energy gives the pipe the ability to do more work (either move the same distance faster, move farther at the same speed, or a balance between the two).

hope this helps

-Jimmy
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rp181
Wed Jan 27 2010, 11:54PM
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I like comparing voltage to air pressure, and current to air volume. Makes it easy to compare. I.e. capacitor- air tank, resistor is a flow choke.
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Azaroth
Thu Jan 28 2010, 10:06PM
Azaroth Registered Member #2652 Joined: Mon Jan 25 2010, 11:36PM
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That is actually very helpful. It all makes sense now. Thanks again =)
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