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reverse engineer kodak flash charger

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ZapHappyPrimate
Sun Sept 27 2009, 08:10AM Print
ZapHappyPrimate Registered Member #2393 Joined: Sun Sept 27 2009, 07:36AM
Location: Central Victoria, Australia
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OK, first of all, hi to all, this being my first post.

I found this site a year ago, and built a CG from the knowledge gained of these pages.
It is 4x 400V, 22uF caps in parallel, connected to a kodak camera charging board, triggered with a mechanical relay.
I got about 3-4M distance with it.

What I am attempting is to find out the operation of the flash board, so as I can rebuild it sans xenon flash system, and gain knowledge to soon build my own. This is what I have so far:


1254038292 2393 FT0 Flashweb


(software from Link2

So, I try to find flash circuits online, and all seem to have a 5th wire, a feedback coil, this transformer does not. I also could find no reference to a feedback coil transformer in my jaycar catalogue. As you can see from the above, the values are wrong. What would be the general ratio and inductance for a flash/cap transformer used this way?
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Killa-X
Sun Sept 27 2009, 03:44PM
Killa-X Registered Member #1643 Joined: Mon Aug 18 2008, 06:10PM
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Sounds like fun! Are you tryng to copy the board into that simulator? Because they do have schematics out there...

Kodak MAX - Link2
Kodak Funsaver - Link2

Just in case you didn't know. :D Good luck! The max shows 6:1750 ratio on that transformer
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ZapHappyPrimate
Sun Sept 27 2009, 05:29PM
ZapHappyPrimate Registered Member #2393 Joined: Sun Sept 27 2009, 07:36AM
Location: Central Victoria, Australia
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yes, trying to copy the board I have, without the xenon flash system. I cannot find the schematic for the one I have, what I drew is about it without the flash....the links you posted are not quite the same. Am unsure of the center connection on the transformer in most schematics I have found. The board I am using only has one transistor, and the transformer only 4 legs. I suppose I could try build a different design, but I thought this would be a simple one to figure out the operating principle, due to small component count (and that I know it works).

thx for the links, will see what I can learn from them.
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Backyard Skunkworks
Sun Sept 27 2009, 07:42PM
Backyard Skunkworks Registered Member #1262 Joined: Fri Jan 25 2008, 05:22AM
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 451
For a serious coilgun charger your gonna have to beef up that circuit a lot. A good charger should have an output of at least several watts for a short charge time on a large capacitor bank.
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ZapHappyPrimate
Thu Oct 01 2009, 12:41PM
ZapHappyPrimate Registered Member #2393 Joined: Sun Sept 27 2009, 07:36AM
Location: Central Victoria, Australia
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Backyard Skunkworks,

>>For a serious coilgun charger your gonna have to beef up that circuit a lot.<<

Yes, for a serious coilgun. This is still my first. The circuit from which I am working happily charged 4x 300V 220uF, and I have this afternoon put this basic circuit onto a board, using the original parts:


1254399945 2393 FT76713 Flash1web


Do these probe values look right?

It seems to work, the switch triggers the circuit, although the sim doesn't think I need it.....
I found the datasheet for the transistor, a D965 NPN, 340-600 Hfe, 5A.
http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/143748/STANSON/D965.html

Still no idea on the H value on the transformer, but from what I can tell, most new flash transformers are .09-.20 H, does this sound about right?
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