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Camel
Fri Feb 06 2009, 07:48AM Print
Camel Registered Member #1694 Joined: Sat Sept 13 2008, 09:13AM
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Hi,

I've made myself an infa red switch with a LED and a photodiode. It uses an LM311n to detect the change in voltage across the photo diode as the projectile passes through. It works well, except . . .

When the projectile goes through, the 311 puts out a pulse of negative potential . . . electrons flowing out. Ya can't turn on an SCR with negative potential. I can't find any LM311ps, so thats not really and option, and I have half a million 311ns floating around so I would prefer to use them if I could.

Possible solutions, anyone?
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rp181
Fri Feb 06 2009, 01:05PM
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Pretend the out put is positive. How would you wire the SCR? Now just swap the gate and cathode leads. Positive will connect to the gate lead, and the lm311 out connects to cathode.
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Camel
Fri Feb 06 2009, 02:20PM
Camel Registered Member #1694 Joined: Sat Sept 13 2008, 09:13AM
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Thanks rp! I'll give it a shot tomorrow.

Will this change the rating of the SCR at all? I mean, if I have a 300amp pulse through the gate . . any chance that would fry my SCRs?
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big5824
Fri Feb 06 2009, 04:23PM
big5824 Registered Member #1687 Joined: Tue Sept 09 2008, 08:47PM
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could just use a NOT gate
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KLH
Fri Feb 06 2009, 05:24PM
KLH Registered Member #1819 Joined: Thu Nov 20 2008, 04:05PM
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big5824 wrote ...

could just use a NOT gate

It doesn't matter. What if the NOT gate puts out a negative voltage on a high output? You can use a PNP transistor, with the collector tied to the gate of the SCR.

As for the gate current, you should limit it to a short pulse of about 5 to 10A.
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Camel
Sat Feb 07 2009, 03:52AM
Camel Registered Member #1694 Joined: Sat Sept 13 2008, 09:13AM
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Here is a schematic I've drawn up

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PNP collecter is hooked up to teh gate in this schematic . .
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Should work fine, right??
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big5824
Sat Feb 07 2009, 09:38AM
big5824 Registered Member #1687 Joined: Tue Sept 09 2008, 08:47PM
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iv never used a 311, but could you just swap the two inputs around?
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Camel
Sat Feb 07 2009, 11:30AM
Camel Registered Member #1694 Joined: Sat Sept 13 2008, 09:13AM
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Nah, the output is hi when the + input is highest, and its low when - is higher. Swapping the two inputs around would the output hi until the projectile passes through the detector.
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