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Theory for increasing power of coil gun

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Tman
Thu Dec 04 2008, 12:20AM Print
Tman Registered Member #1842 Joined: Wed Dec 03 2008, 03:10AM
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I had a thought last night. I was wondering if anyone thinks that if you where able to have a projectile that has a magnetic polarity, so it gets pulled forward, and then just past the half way point you could reverse polarity of the coil to push the projectile away? I am not sure if this is possible. I decided to post up to get input from people more informed than i am on this subject.
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youngcoilgunner
Thu Dec 04 2008, 12:30AM
youngcoilgunner Registered Member #1633 Joined: Tue Aug 12 2008, 04:21AM
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is it possible: sure
might it increase efficiency: maybe
is it easy to do: no
that quickly collapsing magnetic field will create quite a large emf spike, which might damage whatever driver you use, but it might work if you put enough thought into it. just make sure you don't end up permanently magnetizing the projectile.
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rp181
Thu Dec 04 2008, 12:44AM
rp181 Registered Member #1062 Joined: Tue Oct 16 2007, 02:01AM
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The hard part is making it so the projectile magnetic field wont realign, these are huge fields.
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Berni
Thu Dec 04 2008, 06:43AM
Berni Registered Member #1132 Joined: Mon Nov 19 2007, 06:15PM
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Yes the coilgun poducees amazingly strong fields that like to magneize iron.Meaby if you fire a neodium magnet as a projectle, but the magnet will shater to pecis on inpact with the target. Permanent magnets are generaly easy to break and you cant use a magnetised nail or something cause the coilgun will magnetise it oposite
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Camel
Thu Dec 04 2008, 08:02AM
Camel Registered Member #1694 Joined: Sat Sept 13 2008, 09:13AM
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Berni wrote ...

Yes the coilgun poducees amazingly strong fields that like to magneize iron.Meaby if you fire a neodium magnet as a projectle, but the magnet will shater to pecis on inpact with the target. Permanent magnets are generaly easy to break and you cant use a magnetised nail or something cause the coilgun will magnetise it oposite

I'm not sure if what im saying is right, but I'm sure someone will correct me.
If you load the magnet so that its north pole is facing the south pole of the coil, it will work 'ok' but the projectile would probably saturate and not experience the same amount of acceleration as a normal piece of iron. If the magnets south was facing the coils south, it probably wouldn't fire at all. If it did, there would be some pretty major hysteresis losses.
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rp181
Thu Dec 04 2008, 01:11PM
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ive tried a stack if neodymium magnets. Not very good at all.
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big5824
Thu Dec 04 2008, 01:51PM
big5824 Registered Member #1687 Joined: Tue Sept 09 2008, 08:47PM
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yea its been tried a lot, the magnet just gets demagnetised normally
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CyrusTheGreat
Thu Dec 11 2008, 02:50PM
CyrusTheGreat Registered Member #537 Joined: Sun Feb 18 2007, 07:22PM
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Yeah, I've stuck some neodymium magnets in my coilgun. Doesn't work too well. Cold-rolled steel is much better in my experience. I can't even dent sheetrock with neodymium magnets. I agree that it may have something to do with the saturation point of neodymium
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Camel
Thu Dec 11 2008, 10:44PM
Camel Registered Member #1694 Joined: Sat Sept 13 2008, 09:13AM
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I think a laminated iron projectile, or a projectile made of powdered iron & epoxy or something would be the best projectile. Iron has a high saturation point and the laminations/epoxy would minimise eddy current losses.
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