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Weston
Thu Feb 21 2008, 11:10PM Print
Weston Registered Member #1316 Joined: Thu Feb 14 2008, 03:35AM
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I have found 2 100 uf 200 volt motor start caps. Has anyone ever heard of using the reverse voltage from the last shot to reverse charge the cap then charging in reverse polarity and swich charging polarity every shot?
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Andyman
Fri Feb 22 2008, 01:46AM
Andyman Registered Member #1083 Joined: Mon Oct 29 2007, 06:16PM
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If you can get the switching timed right, it should work. Of course you won't get full reverse charge from the shot. I've actually been thinking about this sort of thing myself, except I was thinking of some sort of magnetic field recycling coil. In a coigun/induction launcher, not all of the energy goes into the projectile. I was thinking like putting some sort of coil on the side of the main coil opposite the projectile; this would be induced with the magnetic field that wasn't induced into the projectile. Of course, then the problem is how to catch that charge on a capacitor and disconnect it before it returns to the coil.
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Weston
Fri Feb 22 2008, 02:30AM
Weston Registered Member #1316 Joined: Thu Feb 14 2008, 03:35AM
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what would i have to time right?
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Shaun
Fri Feb 22 2008, 04:26AM
Shaun Registered Member #690 Joined: Tue May 08 2007, 03:47AM
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You couldn't use a single SCR to trigger anymore, since they only conduct one-way. It would have to use a mechanical switch of some sort. Of course, doing that wouldn't help, it would just let the capacitor ring down.

If you used two SCRs in inverse-parallel, then you could fire one SCR and then when the capacitor reverse-charges, use the other SCR to fire it in the opposite direction. I don't know how SCRs stand up to being reverse-biased like that, but this is just speculation.

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Weston
Fri Feb 22 2008, 06:18PM
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i could use a dpdt switch to reverse charging every shot, or at a low enough charge rate i could use IBGT or a MOSFET and a protection diode.
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Weston
Tue Feb 26 2008, 05:57PM
Weston Registered Member #1316 Joined: Thu Feb 14 2008, 03:35AM
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I think this might be mentioned on another forum but how many amps would a 100 uf cap at 200 volts produce at peak with a direct short?
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Bjørn
Tue Feb 26 2008, 06:20PM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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That would depend on the equivalent series resistance of the capacitor. If the ESR is so low that the pulse is very short you need to take the inductance into consideration. Link2



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Weston
Tue Feb 26 2008, 07:57PM
Weston Registered Member #1316 Joined: Thu Feb 14 2008, 03:35AM
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Ok. but i dont have the parts to build the ESR tester. does anyone have an aproximation? i asked the electronics teacher at my school and he says the caps i am using should have lower ESR then lyiacs.
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