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hsieh
Thu Oct 28 2010, 04:13PM Print
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
Location: Taipei Taiwan
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I want to build several retro(old style) radios just for fun.So I build this vacuum tube radio.But it dosen't work.I can't hear any sound or noise.

The circuit diagram is on the attached file.I found this circuit on an old book published exactly 50 years ago.

The chinese word near the 1M resistor says crystal earphone.I have tried piezoelectric speaker and crystal earphone.but I can't hear any sound.I prefer to use piezoelectric speaker if it works because crystal earphones are hard to find.

By the way, anyone knows what is detector coil and how to make one?I saw this on another vacuum tube radio circuit..

Thanks
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Proud Mary
Thu Oct 28 2010, 04:58PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
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Hi,

First, you have a tuned circuit with an antenna, an inductor, and a variable capacitor. This circuit selects a radio signal and delivers it to the anodes of the double diode detector via the 100pF capacitor, which demodulates the signal and turns it into audio frequency that you can hear.

This is a circuit that will not work well without a good antenna. I suggest at least 10 metres of wire. The diagram does not give values for the inductor and the variable capacitor. If you want to listen on Medium Frequency - AM - if the variable capacitor is 500pF, then the inductance should be about 120uH. What values have you chosen?

The demodulated signal now at audio frequency moves through the 100K resistor to the top end of the variable resistor volume control. At this point there is a capacitor of 100pF to pass high frequencies to the Earth so the triode valve will not start oscillating.

The signal now arrives at the triode grid.

What voltage can you measure on the triode anode - pin 7?

Can you see the valve heater glowing? What is the voltage across pin 3 and 4?

Taking care not to get electric shock !!! touch a screwdriver or the end of a piece of insulated wire on the triode grid - pin 1. Is there a humming sound in the earpeice?

Can you hear a scratching sound in the ear piece when you rapidly turn the volume control variable resistor up and down?

When you have tuned in a very strong station, then the audio voltage across the 1M resistor in parallel with the crystal earpiece should be 20 or 30V.
The triode valve in this circuit will have a gain of about 60, so you will understand why you need a good antenna. Unless you have about 0.5V of RF signal voltage across the tuned circuit before the diode demodulator, you will not have much audio volume.

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hsieh
Fri Oct 29 2010, 12:25AM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
Location: Taipei Taiwan
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The heater is glowing,The votage at pin3 and 4 is 5.99~6.03V(I use a 6V transformer)

I can hear a very small scratching sound when I turn the volume.

I'm now at school. I will do other measurments when I'm at home.

By the way,how th make the antenna? Can I wind a piece very long wire into a big circle and connect one end to the radio?

Thanks
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Proud Mary
Fri Oct 29 2010, 05:39AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
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謝昕哲 wrote ...

By the way,how th make the antenna? Can I wind a piece very long wire into a big circle and connect one end to the radio?

It would be better if it was a long, straight wire, high up, but if you can only make it go round in a big circle, that will have to do!
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hsieh
Fri Oct 29 2010, 03:44PM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
Location: Taipei Taiwan
Posts: 278
I can measure 263V on pin 7.

When I touch pin 1,there is no humming sound.But the instant I touch it, there is a sound.

I can measure 8V on pin 1.
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