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How to get oscilloscope to display the desired trace?

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big5824
Sat Oct 23 2010, 12:15AM Print
big5824 Registered Member #1687 Joined: Tue Sept 09 2008, 08:47PM
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I just ebayed an old oscilloscope so i could continue work on my brushless motor controller, but i am currently having trouble getting it to display the trace i require (and have had previously on other oscilloscopes)

Here is a picture showing what i mean, the top trace is what it should look like, but the bottom is what my scope shows.

I have been tearing my hair out for the past few hours trying to get this going, so any help is greatly appreciated smile
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Myke
Sat Oct 23 2010, 01:06AM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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You sure the auto triggering is working (threshold in the right range)?
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big5824
Sat Oct 23 2010, 10:26AM
big5824 Registered Member #1687 Joined: Tue Sept 09 2008, 08:47PM
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Yes, its triggering, and the waveform is stable and stationary
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kell
Sat Oct 23 2010, 02:22PM
kell Registered Member #142 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 01:19PM
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How about giving us some info we can get our teeth into. What kind of scope. Frequency of your waveform. What you have tried. What happens if you generate a square wave of the same freq and amplitude using some other type of circuit, then scope that?
I have an old scope with a HF stability knob I can twiddle when the waveform is acting up.
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Steve Conner
Sat Oct 23 2010, 06:59PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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I can't conceive of any triggering defect that could transform the top trace into the bottom one. Are you sure your motor controller circuit is working properly?
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Ken M.
Sat Oct 23 2010, 09:21PM
Ken M. Registered Member #618 Joined: Sat Mar 31 2007, 04:15AM
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Could perhaps be that the newly acquired scope has a slightly different sampling rate and is having a difficult time making it look like the top trace.
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Sun Oct 24 2010, 12:28AM
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Are you sure that you didn't somehow turn on a second trace?

Failing that, I would venture that the motor controller has some type of logic error and is outputting high during the 'off' times a sizable fraction of the time. Try putting the scope in single shot mode and manually trigger a few times to confirm/deny that this is happening.
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Shrad
Sun Oct 24 2010, 11:19AM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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please, could you send a picture of the scope facade so we can devise on your settings?

I think it is a triggering problem

if your triggering behaves like that it can be due to triggering on the wrong edge of the pulse, or bad triggering level (usually you pull the pot and rotate it to adjust the level)

could also be trigger coupling which must in that case be DC

another solution would be external triggering on your clock source (it would be synced with the output normally)
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