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The pole and barn paradox

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IamSmooth
Sun Sept 26 2010, 07:20PM Print
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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I thought this was interesting.

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I read a spacetime physics book now and then. I was wondering if anyone ever had any lectures on relativity, and discussed some similar paradoxes?
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Duality
Tue Sept 28 2010, 09:25PM
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cool, i thought the pole wouldn't fit, but i now know that simultaneous is not a constant.
but why does the last door ( for the runner) close faster then the first one. hmmm
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IamSmooth
Thu Sept 30 2010, 07:07PM
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Maybe someone can answer this one for me...

You have a hollow cylinder with a detonation switch at the bottom. A solid piston fits into the cylinder, but is too short to hit the switch by a few centimeters. A lip at the end of the piston prevents it from slipping past this point. Now, take the piston out and get it heading straight for the cylinder close to a velocity close to the speed of light. From the perspective of someone next to the cylinder, the piston contracts in length allow its axis of motion and will be too short to hit the switch when it enters the cylinder. From some riding with the piston, the cylinder appears shorter and the piston will hit the bottom despite having a lip on the end.

What happens? Does the switch get hit or not?
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Steve Conner
Fri Oct 01 2010, 08:21AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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It doesn't matter, the energy of the explosives is negligible compared to the kinetic energy of the piston. smile

I would say that when the lip on the piston hits the end of the cylinder, it'll decelerate from its relativistic velocity. As it slows down, one of the observers will see the piston get longer until it almost but not quite hits the switch, the other will see the cylinder get longer and the switch retreat away from getting hit at the last moment.

The paradox, like the pole and barn one, is really about which frame of reference is appropriate for analysing the collision when two relativistic objects smash into each other. Intuitively I would say whichever frame makes the conservation of mass-energy work out.
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