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tritium
Mon Sept 06 2010, 02:07PM Print
tritium Registered Member #2591 Joined: Fri Jan 01 2010, 11:58AM
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hello guy's

I wan't to know how to measure the inductance of the Mazilli driver, so I can calculate the resonant cap for it,
but the driver has one coil with a mid-point (5+5), do I have to measure the complete coil or only the first 5 windings.

some explanation how the circuit works would be wonderfull.



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Proud Mary
Mon Sept 06 2010, 04:42PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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It's the whole length of the primary that is oscillating, sonny, so you'll need to measure L from end to end to determine C for fo.

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ZakWolf
Tue Sept 07 2010, 05:12AM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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what will the resonant capacitor do
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tritium
Tue Sept 07 2010, 02:51PM
tritium Registered Member #2591 Joined: Fri Jan 01 2010, 11:58AM
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LittleVenture wrote ...

what will the resonant capacitor do

going into resonance with my L cheesey
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tritium
Tue Sept 07 2010, 04:33PM
tritium Registered Member #2591 Joined: Fri Jan 01 2010, 11:58AM
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the voltage of the Lc = pi*Vin,
is the current trough the L also higher because of this,
or is the current from my psu the same as in the tank circuit?

I wan´t to know this to calculate the awg size for my primary.
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue Sept 07 2010, 06:15PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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The current in the LC is few to many times higher than the supply current. Also remeber that drawing an arc decreases inductance seen on the primary winding, and in turn increases frequency and current.
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teravolt
Tue Sept 07 2010, 07:11PM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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I use 16 to 14 awg and I always use 4 to 6 turns. The cap that you choose is just as important like this


Link2

the reason is that it has low ESR, your basic snubber cap. When your primary becomes resonant the circulating current in your L and C increase. The current is determined by the R in L and C. The average flyback has a resonant frequency from 20-60 khz, generally the smaller the higher. The thing I do is have a selection of caps and change caps to find the resonance. if you want to calculate it you will have to measure L with out going through a lengthy calculation.

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tritium
Thu Sept 16 2010, 04:36PM
tritium Registered Member #2591 Joined: Fri Jan 01 2010, 11:58AM
Location: netherlands
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is there a way to calculate the primary current?
and is there a way to calculate when the core saturate's

my supply voltage is 11.1 volt, and can deliver 30 amps
my goal is +/- 2000 volts on the secondary with as much current as possible
my core is :

Al=630Nh
175 µe
ΣI/A=0.35 mm-1
Ie=70 mm
Ae=200 mm2
Amin=170 mm2
Ve=14000 mm3
S=0.4 mm
Bs=490 mT
Hc=21 A/m

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