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pauleddy
Thu Sept 02 2010, 07:11PM Print
pauleddy Registered Member #2909 Joined: Wed Jun 09 2010, 12:31AM
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Can old TV CRT glass be a good radiation shield?
I know there made of lead glass and design to block a majority of X-Rays from escaping from the CRT.
So I was thinking would it be a great shielding material, you could grind up the glass tubs and pure them in to side of a form, use one or two front screens as viewing ports for x-ray experiments.
It could a relatively cheaper solution then buying lead sheets, which can be expensive to ship.
Especially with there wide availability at junk sites and curbs, as people upgrade to flat screens.

Any ideas on this subject, comments?
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radiotech
Fri Sept 03 2010, 03:40PM
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Big color TV crts contain a lot of lead, pounds on it. If you grind up the glass for remelt, how will you deal with the lead bearing sand? Also the remelted form you create wont look like a CRT, something people have disposal methods for. The other practical thing is that those thing break with shards of glass flying about everywhere, not due to implosion, but because you need a heavy hammer to do it.
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Adam Munich
Fri Sept 03 2010, 05:05PM
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It might work. I've cut up CRT's before with a dremel. They aren't tempered so you CAN cut them.

The screens are only designed to block 30kVp x-rays though, and I'm not sure that using them to shield 70kVp is a very good idea. Especially if you plan on sitting in front of it!
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Proud Mary
Fri Sept 03 2010, 06:45PM
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Lead sheet is as easy as pie to cut with tinman's snips which produce no dust, easy to shape, safe to handle with rubber gloves, and readily takes paint as an environmental safety shield.

By comparison, first breaking and then pulverizing old TV tubes is completely crackers! cheesey
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Adam Munich
Fri Sept 03 2010, 07:18PM
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Tinsnips? It can be cut with scissors!
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klugesmith
Sat Sept 04 2010, 12:09AM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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pauleddy wrote ...
Can old TV CRT glass be a good radiation shield?
IMHO, it would be silly to use CRT glass as a substitute for lead, except where you want optical transparency.

Then the question is, what sort of optical quality can you get in a salvaged piece of funnel glass (high lead) or faceplate glass (usually Pb-free, with plenty of Ba or Sr, in color CRT's). Link2

I suspect the inside surface of faceplates, after you remove the phosphor, has a matte texture instead of a smooth polish. Maybe I can check one this weekend. Amateur telescope makers would be equipped to change that.

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pauleddy
Sat Sept 04 2010, 02:53AM
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I was thinking on only using the back part to smash up and use 2 or 3 the face plate a viewing port I don’t want to melt it that would require allot of work, nor grind it in to sand just a descent pile of relatively small pieces that I could mix with water or concrete to enhance it absorbsion of radiation
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Proud Mary
Sat Sept 04 2010, 07:07AM
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Shouldn't you first define the radiation to be absorbed, and only then determine the shielding arrrangements needed to bring it within ALARA criteria?
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pauleddy
Sat Sept 04 2010, 01:31PM
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x-rays, mostly
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Adam Munich
Sat Sept 04 2010, 01:55PM
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What kVp?
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