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Finding correct resonant capacitor for 50Hz transforer

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Kizmo
Tue Aug 31 2010, 08:41AM Print
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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Its time to do some resonant arcs :)

My system will be something like this

240VAC 50Hz line -> adjustable inductive ballast -> HV transformer -> capacitor in series with secondary

Last time i did resonant arcs i noticed that ballast setting had direct effect on correct resonant cap size and thats why it was pretty difficult to adjust by trial and error.

This time i would like to base my experiment to actual measurements and math but i need help with inductance measurement.

Question is: How to measure HV transformer secondary inductance? With primary open/shorted OR 240VAC input shorted before ballast?
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radiotech
Tue Aug 31 2010, 02:59PM
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What instruments have you got to measure the DC resistance of the HV secondary and what is the current used in the range of ~~1000 ohms? Dont use a DMM on automatic range select, it may just sit there cycling.

If you have a constant current power supply which will completely magnetize the core via the secondary, and can make a graph of the current rise, and you know the resistance of the winding, you could find the L/R by seeing how much time to reach 63 % of maximum.

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Dr. Dark Current
Wed Sept 01 2010, 09:51AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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If you know the inductance of your ballast (measured by the "line method" - calculate inductance from the current it draws from the mains), you can then multiply the inductance by the transformer's turns ratio squared, then find resonant cap for the resulting inductance "seen" at the secondary winding (this is neglecting the transformer's leakage inductance).
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Kizmo
Wed Sept 01 2010, 03:33PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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When choosing capacitance (math suggests 170nF) .. is that the sweet spot or should i go slightly smaller/lower than resonant?

One solution would be to just try and see what it does
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Dr. Dark Current
Wed Sept 01 2010, 04:26PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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With MOTs a slightly bigger capacitance usually works best, but again MOTs have much higher induction than standard transformers...
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Kizmo
Wed Sept 01 2010, 05:00PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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This time only MOT stack in the circuit is the ballast :)
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