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HM_Murdock
Sat Aug 14 2010, 10:15PM Print
HM_Murdock Registered Member #3075 Joined: Fri Aug 06 2010, 02:44PM
Location: Athens, GA
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So I finally got all my parts in tot convert my PC PSU into a lab power supply, and I am getting 13.1V between the 0V and +12.

I have moved on to finding the pins on my FBT using the methods from both of these sites (they vary slightly), using my multi in series and each possible variant of using the +12V and 0V, and even tried it with the -12V

4HV Wiki
lifters.online.fr link

No matter what I do, I cannot get a reliable reading on any of the pins. I did get it to show .48 V on two pins with one of the configs, but nothing close to 6V (or even 3).

I even gave up using the multimeter, connected the 0V to the HV output line and tried to get any kind of spark on the pins with the +12 (and tried in reverse)

Am I missing something here, or do I maybe have a bad FBT, or what?
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Aug 14 2010, 11:29PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
Location: Czech Rep.
Posts: 3384
12V is not enough, connect 2-3 9volt batteries in series, or use the 24V potential between the +12 a -12V outputs of your PSU.
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Sulaiman
Sun Aug 15 2010, 04:00AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 3140
After reading the fbt pins thread I measured one I have from new,
the psu limit was 63V and only about 620uA measured, I'll test another one.
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HM_Murdock
Sun Aug 15 2010, 02:20PM
HM_Murdock Registered Member #3075 Joined: Fri Aug 06 2010, 02:44PM
Location: Athens, GA
Posts: 148
Tried it again with the -12 and +12, and got the .490V reading from two of the pins (the ones off to the side, not in the horseshoe. Found the two sets in the horseshoe that read <1ohm impedance (two different isolated sets from what I can tell), so I believe those were my primary and feedback.

Built the powerlabs circuit, and still get nothing out of the HV output. Tried arcing the output to the pins, and got nothing. Switched the + and - leads (one set at the time), and reversed what I thought was the primary and feedback (and tried the different + and - configs there)...nothing.

If there's something I am missing here, please let me know.

Going scavenging to see if I can find an old TV to get one out of...


**EDIT**

I don't know if it was the FBT being 'bad', or simply not right for the application, but I just dug one out of a 12 year old 27" tv and it tests out perfectly. I get a nice, smooth 6V reading on the ground, and easily found the primary and feedback pins...

Now, If I can just figure out which is primary, and which is feedback...one set of pins is separate from all the others, with the remaining pins connected (minus the 0V ground for the secondary). I assume the primary coil is the one with many pins going to it, and the feedback is the one with a single pair of pins going to it?
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Matt Edwards
Sun Aug 15 2010, 07:49PM
Matt Edwards Registered Member #2838 Joined: Fri Apr 30 2010, 07:55PM
Location: tehachapi, CA
Posts: 333
Do you have enough room to wind your own primary and feedback coils? If so then you will not have to worry about finding the pin configuration.
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HM_Murdock
Sun Aug 15 2010, 10:58PM
HM_Murdock Registered Member #3075 Joined: Fri Aug 06 2010, 02:44PM
Location: Athens, GA
Posts: 148
In fact, on this new (older) one, I do.

Will be doing that after dinner...if all goes well, I will have my very first sparks tonight!

Wish me luck...
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Sulaiman
Sun Aug 15 2010, 11:10PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 3140
A quick update, I measured a second fbt (HR6549) secondary and got the following rough measurements;

27V 10uA
35V 100uA
64V 1mA
85V 2mA

This particular unit is split-diode 35.5kV 50Hz PAL.
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