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0-170V adjustable SMPS (is this going to explode?)

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Crunchy Frog
Fri Jul 30 2010, 10:42PM Print
Crunchy Frog Registered Member #2422 Joined: Tue Oct 06 2009, 02:41AM
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So for a project I'm working on I need an adjustable dc supply between about 20 and 150 volts at 5 amps. I can't afford a variac or fancy bench supply, so I went with DIY. But I've never made something like this before, so I thought I'd post up here so the experts can tell me what's wrong with it before I blow up all my fets.

1280529661 2422 FT0 Smps

BTW, because Multisim doesn't have any high-side drivers, that's what the random objects labeled LT1910 are. The pins are V+, GATE, GND, and IN. This should be pretty self explanatory.
EDIT: Oh yeah, the 555 has that diode so the pot adjusts the duty cycle from 0% to 100% without changing the frequency, which is 20kHz. I don't know if that's obvious or not.
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Sulaiman
Sat Jul 31 2010, 04:02PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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The adjustment potentiometer is connected to the positive side of the rectified line via a 9v battery hence it is also 'live'.
I would not recommend it !
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Jul 31 2010, 06:58PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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this needs some kind of feedback otherwise the no-load voltage will be 170V. The UC384x chip is good for supplies like this. The 20uF cap is too small, for 5 amp output you will need at least 1000uF (more likely 2200uF) with a soft-start circuit.
Don't know about the gate drivers, I'm not familiar with that type.

PS. I'd get a 200volt MOSFET (IRFP260 comes to mind) and not use two in series with complicated gate drive.
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Conundrum
Sat Jul 31 2010, 08:34PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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yeah, it needs isolation.

However, an "old school" hack is to obtain a JFET and linear optocoupler (the difference is that it behaves like a BJT) and use the optocoupler to control the JFET gate voltage.

if you are really short of cash you can even make a homemade equivalent using a surplus can transistor (BFY51?) and a pair of yellow LEDs back to back, which if correctly biased will control the current almost as well as if the transistor was driven directly.
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Crunchy Frog
Sun Aug 01 2010, 02:17AM
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I thought the end of a potentiometer was isolated from the inside though. Is it not isolated enough?

Also (at least according to the simulator) the 300 ohms at the end is enough load to keep Vo at Vi/D.
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Conundrum
Sun Aug 01 2010, 05:18PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Standard practice according to the IEEE regulations is to isolate any mains potential points with double insulation.
So even if the knob was non conducting, if due to a fault the inner shaft was to come in contact with live mains in the event of the metal wiper coming loose, a dangerous situation could arise.

Better to use an optoisolator here, at least then the chances of it going badly wrong can be minimised.
(case in point, every SMPS I've seen has one or more to keep the system stable)

-A
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Crunchy Frog
Sun Aug 01 2010, 06:50PM
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So does the optocoupler go between the 555 and the gate driver, or in a current source for the 555's cap?
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Sulaiman
Mon Aug 02 2010, 09:32PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Don't forget that the negative is also live, so whatever is powered by this supply will also be LIVE.
If that's ok then please humour me by putting a warning on any circuit diagrams that you put on the net, better to warn any may copy it.
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