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Nasa warns solar flares from 'huge space storm' will cause devastation in 2013

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Proud Mary
Wed Jun 16 2010, 08:48AM Print
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Nasa warns solar flares from 'huge space storm' will cause devastation
Britain could face widespread power blackouts and be left without critical communication signals for long periods of time, after the earth is hit by a once-in-a-generation “space storm”, Nasa has warned.

By Andrew Hough
Telegraph online
14 Jun 2010

National power grids could overheat and air travel severely disrupted while electronic items, navigation devices and major satellites could stop working after the Sun reaches its maximum power in a few years.

Senior space agency scientists believe the Earth will be hit with unprecedented levels of magnetic energy from solar flares after the Sun wakes “from a deep slumber” sometime around 2013, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

In a new warning, Nasa said the super storm would hit like “a bolt of lightning” and could cause catastrophic consequences for the world’s health, emergency services and national security unless precautions are taken.

Scientists believe it could damage everything from emergency services’ systems, hospital equipment, banking systems and air traffic control devices, through to “everyday” items such as home computers, iPods and Sat Navs.

Due to humans’ heavy reliance on electronic devices, which are sensitive to magnetic energy, the storm could leave a multi-billion pound damage bill and “potentially devastating” problems for governments.

“We know it is coming but we don’t know how bad it is going to be,” Dr Richard Fisher, the director of Nasa's Heliophysics division, said in an interview with The Daily Telegraph.

“It will disrupt communication devices such as satellites and car navigations, air travel, the banking system, our computers, everything that is electronic. It will cause major problems for the world.

“Large areas will be without electricity power and to repair that damage will be hard as that takes time.”

Dr Fisher added: “Systems will just not work. The flares change the magnetic field on the earth that is rapid and like a lightning bolt. That is the solar affect.”

A “space weather” conference in Washington DC last week, attended by Nasa scientists, policy-makers, researchers and government officials, was told of similar warnings.

While scientists have previously told of the dangers of the storm, Dr Fisher’s comments are the most comprehensive warnings from Nasa to date.

Dr Fisher, 69, said the storm, which will cause the Sun to reach temperatures of more than 10,000 F (5500C), occurred only a few times over a person’s life.

Every 22 years the Sun’s magnetic energy cycle peaks while the number of sun spots – or flares – hits a maximum level every 11 years.

Dr Fisher, a Nasa scientist for 20 years, said these two events would combine in 2013 to produce huge levels of radiation.

He said large swathes of the world could face being without power for several months, although he admitted that was unlikely.

A more likely scenario was that large areas, including northern Europe and Britain which have “fragile” power grids, would be without power and access to electronic devices for hours, possibly even days.

He said preparations were similar to those in a hurricane season, where authorities knew a problem was imminent but did not know how serious it would be.

“I think the issue is now that modern society is so dependant on electronics, mobile phones and satellites, much more so than the last time this occurred,” he said.

“There is a severe economic impact from this. We take it very seriously. The economic impact could be like a large, major hurricane or storm.”

The National Academy of Sciences warned two years ago that power grids, GPS navigation, air travel, financial services and emergency radio communications could “all be knocked out by intense solar activity”.

It warned a powerful solar storm could cause “twenty times more economic damage than Hurricane Katrina”. That storm devastated New Orleans in 2005 and left an estimated damage bill of more than $125bn (£85bn).

Dr Fisher said precautions could be taken including creating back up systems for hospitals and power grids and allow development on satellite “safe modes”.

“If you know that a hazard is coming … and you have time enough to prepare and take precautions, then you can avoid trouble,” he added.

His division, a department of the Science Mission Directorate at Nasa headquarters in Washington DC, which investigates the Sun’s influence on the earth, uses dozens of satellites to study the threat.

The government has said it was aware of the threat and “contingency plans were in place” to cope with the fall out from such a storm.

These included allowing for certain transformers at the edge of the National Grid to be temporarily switched off and to improve voltage levels throughout the network.

The National Risk Register, established in 2008 to identify different dangers to Britain, also has “comprehensive” plans on how to handle a complete outage of electricity supplies.
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Sulaiman
Wed Jun 16 2010, 11:54AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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I believe the Government when they say we are prepared,
- provided it's not the "wrong type" of solar flare.

(In uk recent embarrassing stoppages of infrastructure have been due to the 'wrong type' of leaves on the track, the 'wrong type' of rain, the 'wrong type' of snow etc. etc.. We were apparently well prepared for the other type....................)

Are we to believe that 'scientists' have now completely understood and modeled the inner workings of the sun that they can now predict solar weather better than earth weather?
Sounds like scientists cashing in on the movie 2012. and why not?

Just for the fun of it I'm currently moving my hobby "off-grid" as far as practical. (SLA batteries, solar charging etc.)
So I'll be ok
(except for the rioting)
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Proud Mary
Wed Jun 16 2010, 12:11PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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At least we have good notice for setting up some super experiments with fluxgate magnetometers, cosmic ray detectors, and Yagi arrays for monitoring solar radio emissions.

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Hon1nbo
Wed Jun 16 2010, 02:57PM
Hon1nbo Registered Member #902 Joined: Sun Jul 15 2007, 08:17PM
Location: North Texas
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it's kind of funny that this should show up right after I switch all of my Ham Radios and special gear off the grid he he.
The scary thing is, as Sulaiman described above, is what a government defines as "prepared" - I expect the US to be fine (ever hear of NORAD? - it was prepared to be hit by a 50 MT nuke, survive the EMP blast with 2 foot thick carbon steel faraday cage shell, and carry out air traffic control duties as well as be on standby for emergencies... I expect that is part of what they deem "prepared")
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radiotech
Wed Jun 16 2010, 03:40PM
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"I expect the US to be fine (ever hear of NORAD?"

Norad's communications systems were primative fortified telephone and teleprinter circuits. During the first manned space missions it was necessary to lock and guard key "rack rooms" across the country because the earth stations used telecom lines.
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Hon1nbo
Wed Jun 16 2010, 03:48PM
Hon1nbo Registered Member #902 Joined: Sun Jul 15 2007, 08:17PM
Location: North Texas
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radiotech wrote ...

"I expect the US to be fine (ever hear of NORAD?"

Norad's communications systems were primative fortified telephone and teleprinter circuits. During the first manned space missions it was necessary to lock and guard key "rack rooms" across the country because the earth stations used telecom lines.

NORAD has actually undergone heavy upgrades, but you misunderstood me. My point was that we have the ability to prepare for disaster to the system. Also, the second point was that they actually handle air traffic control to a surprisingly large degree, and they'll be safe from something like this.

-Jimmy
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UltraMagnus
Fri Jun 25 2010, 12:59PM
UltraMagnus Registered Member #2875 Joined: Mon May 24 2010, 08:28AM
Location: England
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norad may be safe, but what about the computers on all the planes? Modern jet airliners are practically flown by the computers
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Conundrum
Fri Jun 25 2010, 08:49PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
Location: CI, Earth
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gives a whole new meaning to "Blue Screen of Death" ... !

21/12/2012 anyone?

-A
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