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Adam Munich
Mon Jun 07 2010, 03:40AM Print
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Any better way to measure HV other than 1.1cm spark = 10kv? Also, how do you measure milliamps at that high potential?

I've just been measuring the current draw from my transformer and figuring out what should come out of the secondary based on transformer ratio.
IE; if i want 1ma at 75kv, I'll put a 75watt lightbulb in series with the transformer primary.

But there must be a better way to measure mA and Kv at 60hz.
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dmg
Mon Jun 07 2010, 03:47AM
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To messure high voltage, why not just use a voltage divider?
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Arcstarter
Mon Jun 07 2010, 04:23AM
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For current (it would measure short circuit current, not loaded) you can put a resistor in parallel with the output, provided it is a short circuit safe supply. Then you read the voltage across it, and use Ohm's law to calculate the current.

Like GBD said, just use a resistive divider to measure voltage. Depending on the voltage, and the available current (or rather, how much load the output can take before it drops the voltage too much to get and accurate reading), you can figure out what resistors will be best. I used 2.2Mohm and 220Kohm to measure my 2400v 10ma transformer, so i got 1 volt per 10 volts from it. I used a 100 ohm 1/4 watt resistor to measure the current.
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klugesmith
Mon Jun 07 2010, 04:37AM
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Grenadier wrote ...
Any better way to measure HV other than 1.1cm spark = 10kv?
That's a pretty poor way, because it's so sensitive to the electrode shapes. See Link2
According to my old CRC, the length of spark gap for 10 kV is 0.27 cm (between 2.5-cm balls), 0.32 cm (between 25-cm balls), and 0.85 cm between needle points. For 50 kV the spark gap lengths are 2.0, 1.66, and 5.20 cm.

If you are measuring DC, get a standard high-voltage divider probe used in TV service. For AC, the dividers need more attention because resistance and capacitance ratios must match. Search this forum for hints.

Grenadier wrote ...
Also, how do you measure milliamps at that high potential?
Put a milliammeter in series. In many small x-ray machines, with a center-tapped secondary, the ground connection of one half-secondary passes through a meter.

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radiotech
Mon Jun 07 2010, 05:11AM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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If you a way to simply measure mA at high voltage use this trick:

Find 2 #49 bulbs-- 0.06 amp lamps. Connect one in series with the high voltage terminal. Connect the other in series with a battery and a DC milliamp meter. Compare brilliancies (carefully)

Also works great for RF. Years ago Sylvania actually made a 2 filament buld to do just this.
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Matt Edwards
Mon Jun 07 2010, 05:40AM
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This should help...
Link2
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Adam Munich
Mon Jun 07 2010, 06:46PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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All good ideas. However the voltage divider won't work well on AC, since the resistors have a capacitance of their own.

My goal is a mA and Kv meter for my x-ray machine. I'm relying on calculations right now.
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UltraMagnus
Mon Jun 07 2010, 07:21PM
UltraMagnus Registered Member #2875 Joined: Mon May 24 2010, 08:28AM
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You can get HV oscilloscope probes (large, oil filled probes at that), that would help with voltage.
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Adam Munich
Mon Jun 07 2010, 07:24PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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that wouldn't help me without an oscilloscope...
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UltraMagnus
Mon Jun 07 2010, 07:35PM
UltraMagnus Registered Member #2875 Joined: Mon May 24 2010, 08:28AM
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The HV probes would cost more than a cheapo 'scope anyway.
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