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Corey
Fri May 14 2010, 09:43PM Print
Corey Registered Member #1902 Joined: Fri Jan 02 2009, 07:59PM
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Now I have resumed construction on my table top class-E sstc I would like to find some kind of common material for a sharp breakout point to thread into the quarter inch hole on top of the former. Any suggestions? Oh and OT is steve's new QCW powered by a syncronous boost supply? Just a suggestion.

-Corey
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Mads Barnkob
Fri May 14 2010, 10:06PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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You could try to get some tungsten rods for welders, I got a box of 10 from a welder for free.

Steves design is discussed here: Link2
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StevenCaton
Fri May 14 2010, 10:28PM
StevenCaton Registered Member #1845 Joined: Fri Dec 05 2008, 05:38AM
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Tungsten has the highest melting point of any element by the way.
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dmg
Fri May 14 2010, 11:12PM
dmg Registered Member #2628 Joined: Fri Jan 15 2010, 12:23AM
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now bringin the topic of tungsten,

I wonder personally what kind will have effects on the arc itself, for example
tungsten is sold with some additives in it sometimes (lanthanated tungsten, thoriated tungsten, ceriated tungsten etc.)
anyone tried any specific tungsten rod?
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HV Enthusiast
Sat May 15 2010, 12:13AM
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Corey wrote ...

Now I have resumed construction on my table top class-E sstc I would like to find some kind of common material for a sharp breakout point to thread into the quarter inch hole on top of the former. Any suggestions? Oh and OT is steve's new QCW powered by a syncronous boost supply? Just a suggestion.

-Corey

Just a copper electrode should suffice if its thick enough. Just don't use steel as it will get much hotter and melt quicker.

See QCW thread for info on Steve's QCW coil. I believe it is a synchronous buck, although thats probably much more complicated than it needs to be. We have a couple of different designs we are working right now. One uses a simple buck topology running open loop that simply idles at some low voltage, and then ramps up according to however the PIC is programmed. Of course, you don't even need a PIC, just a simple ramp circuit fed into a comparator to get your ramped up duty cycle for the buck switch. The ramp up being triggered by your incoming interrupter (modulation) pulse.

Another simple way we are getting great results is with not even using an active power supply. Just a simple resistor-capacitor network that is triggered by your incoming pulse. In fact, its almost so simple a caveman good do it. Basically just a capacitor charging network. When the incoming modulator pulse comes in, you simply turn a single MOSFET on which dumps energy from your main DC bus cap and charges your idling capacitor supply. Its not a linear ramp, but rather exponential, but works just as well. Selection of R's and C's will determine the charge rate, available energy, etc... We're actually pursuing this one more than the buck since its much simpler, albeit with less flexibility of control, and cheaper too.
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Corey
Sat May 15 2010, 12:33AM
Corey Registered Member #1902 Joined: Fri Jan 02 2009, 07:59PM
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Are tungsten rods even made to be 1/4 inch, it would preferably be threaded too. And about Steve's design wouldn't any type of DC bus control need some type of active snubber?

-Corey
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Sat May 15 2010, 05:09AM
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I had a lot of trouble finding an electrode that would stand up to long discharges in my audiomodded coil, so I ended up using a piece of tungsten that I salvaged from a large laser flashlamp (that had been cracked), which I had loosely wrapped in a piece of copper wire. The tungsten glows orange-white hot, and the copper gets quite warm, but not warm enough to melt the solder I used to attach it so I am happy wink
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Steve Conner
Sat May 15 2010, 08:37AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Tungsten is great stuff for making electrodes, but it's also incredibly hard, good luck trying to cut a screw thread into it! You might be able to braze a piece to a 1/4" bolt.

Steve's QCW coil is indeed powered by a synchronous buck converter, made from a halfbridge IGBT brick.
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