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cduma
Wed May 12 2010, 03:39PM Print
cduma Registered Member #1822 Joined: Fri Nov 21 2008, 08:04PM
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I want to build a device that when placed within an operating Microwave oven recieves power and turns it into 12VDC and operates a fan as part of a demonstration kit.

How should I start?
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Steve Conner
Wed May 12 2010, 05:18PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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A halfwave dipole with a schottky diode in the middle would be as good a place to start as any. Google "rectenna" for more info.
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cduma
Wed May 12 2010, 10:18PM
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I was going to make an air coil with small protruding bit of wire connect to a step down and rectifier. The low voltage side is easy enough.

I dont know much about faraday cages which is one of the most important parts to this project.
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Zeus
Wed May 12 2010, 11:19PM
Zeus Registered Member #2316 Joined: Tue Aug 25 2009, 03:04AM
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If you want a accurate 1/2 dipole, try etching it on a PC board.

2.4GHz beams (can you call a
6.5cm antenna a beam) are done using that method.

In regards to Faraday cages, how big do you want it?
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cduma
Wed May 12 2010, 11:31PM
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Big enough to house a 80MM fan and DC voltage regulation stuff.
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radiotech
Fri May 14 2010, 02:41AM
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There is thrmocouple powered fan that sits on top of a wood stove and circulates heat. perhaps microwave > heat > electricity > motor

Have you thought of a Crookes Radiometer? novelty stores sell them. How sweet would a glassware steam engine, Even the classic Hero's engine pulling a fan would look interesting.

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cduma
Mon May 17 2010, 02:27PM
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Actually, I want to skip the heat step. Microwaves>Electricity>Mechanical motion
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radiotech
Mon May 17 2010, 04:57PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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Actually, I want to skip the heat step. Microwaves>Electricity>Mechanical motion

Electricity has heat. You want radiant energy > Mechanical motion.
What in our universe gets pushed by light? Also what pushes light?

Perhaps a finely balanced dielectric antenna (long pyramid shspe)
might move if something in a 900 watt oven focused much of the 2.45 Ghz signal on it.
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WaveRider
Wed May 19 2010, 08:51PM
WaveRider Registered Member #29 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 09:00AM
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@cduma
Rectenna is the way to go, as Steve said. The problem will be to control the power going into the antenna. Microwave ovens generate hundreds of watts of RF power, which will go into your antenna, overloading the Schottky rectifier and fan motor. Some form of RF power control will be needed to avoid releasing the factory-installed blue smoke from your rectifier/fan...

This can be done using deliberate mismatches (very small antenna, much less than wavelength/2..try wavelength/10 or smaller..that would be an antenna smaller than 1cm) with some glasses of water in the microwave oven with your test setup to act as loads. Perhaps an "evanscent mode" attenuator could be constructed for more precise power control.

@radiotech
Radiation pressure is a very small effect not easily observable in a microwave oven.
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