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IamSmooth
Sun Apr 04 2010, 07:11PM Print
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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I have a 240vac/20A variac. The breaker I believe is attached to the input line. If I have a large load the current going out will be greater than 20A. While testing the induction power supply, I have 9A going into the variac and 36A coming out going to my rectifier.


How can I be sure that the wire will handle the higher output current if I don't exceed the input current?

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Sulaiman
Sun Apr 04 2010, 09:02PM
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Put a fuse or circuit breaker on the output (wiper) side of the variac.
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klugesmith
Sun Apr 04 2010, 10:30PM
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The nameplate current rating is not just for the input.
With 9 A in and 36 A out, 1/4 of the turns are carrying 27 A and the brush is carrying 36 A.
This is overloading the transformer and it will eventually overheat.

I met a guy who was proficient at repairing Variacs with burned windings -- he said it
happened all the time in stage lighting for an on-campus theater.
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HV Enthusiast
Sun Apr 04 2010, 11:20PM
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Typically, you can run a variac for about 200% of its maximum nameplate current for SHORT durations. Just keep in mind, if you do have a fault, and you are using a bigger fuse than the rated current of the variac, you can flat spot the contact and/or coil.

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IamSmooth
Sun Apr 04 2010, 11:25PM
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So how do I provide variable power to an induction heater at these power levels? Do I have to make a variable duty circuit that will chop up a 240vac input with a duty from 0 to 100%? If so, is it as simple as having a MOSFET or IGBT driven by a variable-duty gate signal? Do I need a capacitor to even out the output?
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radiotech
Mon Apr 05 2010, 12:03AM
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Just purchase a [b]240/36 volt transformer rated at 25 amps [/b]. Connect this between variac and load.
It will be hard for you to damage the variac using this.
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IamSmooth
Mon Apr 05 2010, 02:13AM
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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Is it worth rewinding the variac with thicker magnet wire to handle more current? Will the brush still be a limiting factor?

With regards to the 240v/36v step-down: this will not provide enough energizing voltage for the induction heater.
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radiotech
Mon Apr 05 2010, 02:24AM
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It will allow you to adjust voltage between 204 and 276 volts with ease if you connect the 36 volt secondary, buck/boost series with
the input to the variac and drive the load that way.
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IamSmooth
Mon Apr 05 2010, 02:42AM
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Radiotech,

One comment said to connect between the variac and the load; the other comment said connect to the input of the variac. Which one?

Am I using this transformer as a choke to limit the current, then?
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radiotech
Mon Apr 05 2010, 07:56AM
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The connection is the same. Variac---> 240/36 transformer.

output voltage boost 240-276 volts
output voltage buck 240-204 volts

note: your variac now only controls the boost/buck trim
and main load current is carried through the secondary
of the 240/36 transformer. Do not allow the primary of the
240/36 transformer to become open circuited.

This trick would rate a BAD iDEA in a text book but it works!
See Dwg.


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