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A slight problem with my new Digital Multimeter..

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Mike
Thu Apr 27 2006, 10:10PM Print
Mike Registered Member #58 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:40AM
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Lately the DMM has been acting really odd giving messed up readings, so I thought replacing the battery was a good idea. Well when I opened it out half of a resistor :O. I guess last time I took it apart the resistor must have bent againt the case and cracked ( the resistors are standing up in the air on the board, not laying down)
Well it looks to be a green black black yellow space green resistor.
Which should be a 5M .5% tolerance resistor. Closest I can find is on mouser a 5M 1% tolerance for $1.50.
Would that work or does anyone have some better ideas?
Thanks, Mike

Edit: heres a 55cent one that might work Link2
What do you think?
Mike

Ugh now i just noticed that place requires a 25 $ min order so no luck there :(
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HV Enthusiast
Fri Apr 28 2006, 12:50AM
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Tolerances only ensure that you are getting a resistor within a specified range. Even a 5% resistor has the probabilty of being "dead' on in value.

So, all you need to do is buy a bag of 1% resistors and measure each resistor until you find one that is within 0.5% tolerance.

You could also use several resistors in series to get the value you want.
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Simon
Fri Apr 28 2006, 02:01AM
Simon Registered Member #32 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 08:58AM
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wrote ...

You could also use several resistors in series to get the value you want.

To give some detail to what I think EVR's saying, two %5 tolerance resistors in series should have better than 5% tolerance.

If you assume Gaussian distribution with the proper mean (which you can't really in practice), the tolerance is improved by a factor of 1.414 (root two). In general, using n resistors improves the tolerance by a factor of root n, if you have a normal distribution with the right mean.

A case where this might fail is if the production line had a whole batch with a 1kohm bias. Then the whole batch will be out, but still possibly within tolerance.

Measuring and seeing is the surest way.
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Carbon_Rod
Fri Apr 28 2006, 02:17AM
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Resisters are often built out of two materials: one with a positive temperature coefficient, and the other with a negative temperature coefficient. When combined and laser corrected (always dead on at 20’C) they should in theory give almost consistent performance over varying conditions. Generally I never use anything above 1% for most equipment (unless things like NiChrome power resisters are needed etc.)

Sometimes on old equipment if the device is part of a divider bridge it may be critical that they are matched and aged the same. Personally I would try to replace it with the identical part as its instrumentation.

Cheers,
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HV Enthusiast
Fri Apr 28 2006, 02:38AM
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Well, actually what i meant about seriesing resistors, was you can get whatever value you need. Instead of a 0.1% 10k resistor, you might use a "measured" resistor of 9.99k and a "measured" resistor of 9.8 ohms to get a 0.1% 10k resistor.
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Mike
Fri Apr 28 2006, 06:36AM
Mike Registered Member #58 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:40AM
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Oh ok I see guys, thanks, Ill try and find some resistors to test this out with.

Thanks,
Mike
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Bored Chemist
Mon May 01 2006, 08:34AM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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Would it realy matter if the reading was only good to 1% rather than 0.5%?
That's the most likely difference that the "wrong" resistor will make.
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