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Well I came across an interesting paper, so I thought I'd share the information in case anyone else may be interested.
The details of the paper are as follows:
Rev. Sci. Instrum. 68 (6), June 1997
High repetition rate compact source of nanosecond pulses of 5–100 keV x-ray photons
A. Khacef, R. Viladrosa, C. Cachoncinlle, E. Robert, and J. M. Pouvesle GREMI, CNRS/Universite´ d’Orle´ans, B.P. 6759, 45067 Orle´ans Cedex 2, France
Here's a diagram of the tube, and a graph of the output vs pressure:
Note that the output is relatively insensitive to the operating pressure over a fairly wide range, and this range is well within the capability of a cheap mechanical vacuum pump.
The paper discusses the anode and cathode diameters, spacings, etc. that gave the best performance.
It seems this system is also the subject of U.S. patent 5,651,045, although the patent doesn't go very much into the details of the tube design.
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Thanks for this post, I have not seen this one. This design will scale to 1MV, and it is used commercially for most x-ray flash systems, like the ones made by Titan (Now Named L-3 Comm) or something. Very simple, very reliable, and very nice to see :)
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It seems to me that the chief concern of the patentees is not with the flash X-ray tube - in which there is little that is new - but with their particular arrangement of the vector inversion pulse forming lines to ensure their mechanical stability and uniform electrical properties, though it is not easy to see what especial advantage their scheme with recessed PVC dielectric plates would have over dielectric oil - except, perhaps, as they suggest, compactness.
For the amateur constructor, I would expect the biggest single obstacle for most would be the very high cost of co-axial pulse cable with suitably high withstand voltage.
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AFAIK the cables have to withstand only the charging voltage.
IIRC, RG8 cable can tolerate 50 kv pulses...so if you use say 6 lengths of RG8 and a 50 kv charging voltage, you could theoretically get 300 kv (minus losses) at the output (series connected) end.
Of course if you want long pulse lengths then you would need long cables and the thing would become bulky and cumbersome and expensive.
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jpsmith123 wrote ...
AFAIK the cables have to withstand only the charging voltage.
Surely, they must withstand 2V due to the superposition of reflected and incoming waves at open-ended coaxial transmission line, consistent with reflection coefficient gamma = (R-Zo)/(R+Zo).
I'm sure there's still a lot to be found out about X-ray production by Grimm-type hollow cathode glow discharge devices, but one can experiment with them without the very tricky construction of a wave-erection transmission line Marx, though as Lutz says, it would be good to see.
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Well in the body of the paper the authors state:
"The typical charging voltage was about 15 kV and the high-voltage open circuit pulse was about 100 kV with 60 ns duration full width at half-maximum ~FWHM." (This is using 6 cables connected in parallel at the input and in series at the output).
One of these days I'm going to try to do an EM simulation of this type of transmission line transformer to see exactly what's going on.
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Hello:
I used to own the Russian version of this tube (250KV normal use, 320KV Max), until I sold it to a tube collector in Europe. I ran mine with a small marx bank by using 30KV 2700pF high quality ceramic doorknobs. It worked very well although my pulse length may have stretched into the 1 microsecond realm.
I had an idea to go faster by using a coaxial de-ionized water capacitor, but I never needed x-ray pulses this short. I still have a bunch of the new 30KV doorknobs if someone wants to build a precision marx bank. Immersing it in the commercial fluorocarbon fluids works great for insulation, but oil will do in a pinch. You can x-ray an airgun pellet going through a lightbulb, even with only a simple marx bank driving it.
The military used these to study shaped charges and nuclear core implosions, which in the case of nukes led to self forging fragment technology, this made smaller American football shaped nukes possible.
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