Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 46
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
No birthdays today

Next birthdays
07/09 Avi (41)
07/09 Jannick Hagen (15)
07/10 Sparcz (69)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: High Voltage
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

problems with the ZVS driver

Move Thread LAN_403
haxor5354
Thu Dec 31 2009, 05:03AM Print
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
Location: Toronto
Posts: 352
When I hook up the driver to a induction coil to heat up small metal rods it works perfectly, a 4mm steel rod turns red hot in 3 seconds. But, when I hook it up to a flyback transformerand to draw an arc, the driver stopped working in 3 seconds. After it stopped working, it drains huge amount of current from the power supply, causing a short circuit. A good IRFP250 should have around 11 mega-ohms between it's drain and source (because theres a built in diode in it). After I take out the IRFP250 for a test, theres almost 0 ohms between the drain and source, indicating a damaged internal diode. I've already killed 6 MOSFETs and i dont wan't to destroy anymore. It only happens when I hook it up to a flyback transformer. Anyone know whats wrong with my ZVS driver?
Back to top
Zeus
Thu Dec 31 2009, 08:29AM
Zeus Registered Member #2316 Joined: Tue Aug 25 2009, 03:04AM
Location: Bendigo, Australia
Posts: 107
I don't know much about ZVSs, but try 1kv 20A diodes in series with the MOSFETs but if that doesn't help I'm a bit out of my depth.
Back to top
Antonio
Thu Dec 31 2009, 12:24PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
Location: Brazil
Posts: 644
The zvs oscillator has an alternative mode of oscillation that draws much more current than normal. More inductance in the series inductor helps in preventing it (if it doesn't saturate), but too low load will cause the alternative oscillation anyway. Put a fast fuse or circuit breaker in series with the power supply... Use large heat sinks in the transistors. If anything is heating significantly, something is wrong.
Back to top
haxor5354
Thu Dec 31 2009, 02:55PM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
Location: Toronto
Posts: 352
the 2 MOSFETs are screwed on a big piece of aluminum heatsink (they're isolated from each other of course). Would a 15A 125V fuse form a old mrcrowave help? The inductor's core was found in a ATX power supply, I coiled it my self, it has approximately 40 turns of 19 AWG copper wire from an AC motor
Back to top
Antonio
Thu Dec 31 2009, 04:16PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
Location: Brazil
Posts: 644
A toroidal core? It may be saturating. The inductance on the series inductor shall be similar or somewhat greater than the inductances of the coils wrapped in the flyback core. So, assuming similar core materials the number of turns in the flyback coils and in the series inductor shall be similar.
Back to top
haxor5354
Thu Dec 31 2009, 06:35PM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
Location: Toronto
Posts: 352
i found my problem, the 2 diodes that goes to the flyback's primary are bad, the HV from the flyback transformer kicks it back to defective diodes, since they serve no protection, it killed the MOSFETs


so, now it works fine, the only thing that Im wondering about is the capacitor, it's rated at 1uF while the ZVS dirver circuit recommends a 0.68uF cap. does it efftect it's performance significantly? Also does using a cap with less capacitance increase the switcing frequency? or is it the complete opposite?
Back to top
Myke
Thu Dec 31 2009, 08:48PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
Location: MIT
Posts: 969
It's fine to use a 1uF cap. Decreasing the capacitance would increase the frequency. Also decreasing the inductance of the primary increases the frequency.

How would the saturation of the series inductor affect the performance of the driver? Many people have used toroidal cores from ATX power supplies with no problem.
Back to top
Dr. Dark Current
Thu Dec 31 2009, 09:30PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
Location: Czech Rep.
Posts: 3384
I have used an ungapped EI core (from PC PSU) for the inductor, worked fine.
Back to top
Antonio
Fri Jan 01 2010, 12:32AM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
Location: Brazil
Posts: 644
I really don't know what would be the effect of core saturation in the series inductor. I imagine that it can cause the circuit to enter the alternative destructive oscillation mode, because small inductance certainly causes. I will try a simulation to see.
Back to top

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.