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Making an Incandescent Light Bulb

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cduma
Mon Dec 14 2009, 04:24PM Print
cduma Registered Member #1822 Joined: Fri Nov 21 2008, 08:04PM
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I have decided to make a light bulb. I dont particularly care how much power it uses although a practical limit would be ~150Watts or how much light it puts out although, it should be more like a light bulb than a glowing piece of wire.

So far my ideas are thus, wind a very tight coil of mid gauge nichrome wire and place it in a low pressure chamber full of CO2.

I think that I should definetly place several coils within so that I can find voltage limits and over voltage one of them to ensure that all the O2 has been burnt or displaced.

Any input?
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Steve Conner
Mon Dec 14 2009, 04:45PM
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Proud Mary
Mon Dec 14 2009, 04:55PM
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Might the nichrome reduce the CO2?
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Avalanche
Mon Dec 14 2009, 05:26PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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on the secret life of machines (series 3, electric light) they made a light bulb using a milk bottle, and a pencil lead as the filament! It looked a bit temporary, the vacuum pump had to run all the time I think. Not very efficient but it worked!

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Bjørn
Mon Dec 14 2009, 05:35PM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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The melting temperature of nichrome wire is about 1400 deg C, that means that you will get little visible light and very little blue light. So the efficiency will be awful and the colour balance terrible.

Tungsten has the highest melting point and is the most suitable material, for experiments graphite from a pencil is quite usable. If moisture is trapped in the graphite it might explode quite violently so watch out for your eyes.
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radiotech
Mon Dec 14 2009, 07:00PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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Planning how to get the current into the lamp would be a good starting point. With access to chem lab glass tubing, simple glassblowing would be a good project outcome. Thomas Edison, Chemist [American Chemical Society] 1971. is interesting.
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klugesmith
Mon Dec 14 2009, 09:02PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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cduma wrote ...
So far my ideas are thus, wind a very tight coil of mid gauge nichrome wire and place it in a low pressure chamber full of CO2.
I think that I should definetly place several coils within so that I can find voltage limits and over voltage one of them to ensure that all the O2 has been burnt or displaced.
One reason nichrome is popular as a heating element for kilns, etc.
is that it can be heated almost to its melting point, in ordinary air,
and still have a usefully long lifetime. Think of it as a kind of stainless steel.

By pumping out the air you will increase the thermal resistance, so less power will
be needed to reach a given incandescent temperature.
I don't see how CO2 would be a significant improvement over air.
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Hon1nbo
Tue Dec 15 2009, 06:41PM
Hon1nbo Registered Member #902 Joined: Sun Jul 15 2007, 08:17PM
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try a different metal, maybe a bit of tungsten wire if you can get it, carbon electrodes, or possibly a carbonized fabric like edison originally used

but the main concern is making an inert atmosphere for whatever you use so that it doesn't just burn out instantly, use something like Argon which will displace air on it's own pretty easily.

popular science also had an article about doing this a couple of years ago. here
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Sulaiman
Tue Dec 15 2009, 07:01PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Not really my area but since by removing the bulb from the lamp of a domestic lightbulb,
you would have a good start at practicing the vacuum/glass welding etc. ?
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