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j.azz
Tue Aug 25 2009, 09:25AM Print
j.azz Registered Member #888 Joined: Tue Jul 10 2007, 06:52PM
Location: Hannover, Germany
Posts: 40
Hi!

I'm currently messing around building an emg amplifier,
that is high a gain amplifier to monitor muscle voltage, in this case on the skin,
which is proportinal to the force of the muscle.
These voltages can be as low as in the order of a couple of microvolts,
so high gain and high noise suppression is nessessary.
The voltage is picked up by two elektrodes on skin covering the muscle to be determined,
a third elektrode is connected to the circuit's ground an placed on a non-active area of the body,
so the main's noise at 50 or 60 Hz can be surprising easily suppressed by using
a differential opamp.

In my setup I'm using an instrumentation amplifier INA128 by Burr Brown
which's gain is set by one external resistance.
On strong muscles, covered by less skin, fat and flesh, such as the biceps,
A gain of less than one hundred is sufficiant to monitor the signal via a pc soundcard.

But with the skin under the elektrode wettened for better conductivity, especially with higher gains,
I experience the output going to zero as if it was directly grounded.

Does the opamp become instable?
Is the resistance between the electrodes too low?
Is it due to the rather low power supply of +3 and -3 volts?

edit: schematics follow if desired

Thanks in advance for your help!

greetz, j.azz
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Dr. Slack
Tue Aug 25 2009, 09:43AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
Location: UK St. Albans
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If you are going into a PC soundcard, presumably the output is AC coupled. Is the inamp input DC coupled, and if so, does wetting create such a large unbalanced galvanic voltage at the electrodes that the high DC gain saturates the amp output to the rail? If so, AC coupling the inputs should fix.
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Carbon_Rod
Tue Aug 25 2009, 09:49AM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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Typically you would be looking for a ~18Hz signal in the range of 30uV to 1000mV .

A PC sound card is not very good at getting clean data captures...
Some chips are particularly awful at low frequencies under 25Hz.

But this project seems to include some software:
Link2

I hope you don't plan on using this thing on a human...

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j.azz
Tue Aug 25 2009, 09:57AM
j.azz Registered Member #888 Joined: Tue Jul 10 2007, 06:52PM
Location: Hannover, Germany
Posts: 40
why not using on a human?
If I keep the device battery powered and well isolated from mains powered
devices, there should be no hazard...
I will try decoupling the output although dark memories from last night say I tried that before.

edit:

It seems to work now.
My current setup consists of the ina128 followed by an opa177 for further amplification.
I had to decouple the output of the second opamp as well as the output of the instrumantion amplifier.
Now I'm getting levels of amplification that sensitive that I even can get the signal of my heart to screen
just by placing the electrode on the skin where the heart approximitely lies under.
Nice.

Thank you for your help!!!
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