If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.
Special Thanks To:
Aaron Holmes
Aaron Wheeler
Adam Horden
Alan Scrimgeour
Andre
Andrew Haynes
Anonymous000
asabase
Austin Weil
barney
Barry
Bert Hickman
Bill Kukowski
Blitzorn
Brandon Paradelas
Bruce Bowling
BubeeMike
Byong Park
Cesiumsponge
Chris F.
Chris Hooper
Corey Worthington
Derek Woodroffe
Dalus
Dan Strother
Daniel Davis
Daniel Uhrenholt
datasheetarchive
Dave Billington
Dave Marshall
David F.
Dennis Rogers
drelectrix
Dr. John Gudenas
Dr. Spark
E.TexasTesla
eastvoltresearch
Eirik Taylor
Erik Dyakov
Erlend^SE
Finn Hammer
Firebug24k
GalliumMan
Gary Peterson
George Slade
GhostNull
Gordon Mcknight
Graham Armitage
Grant
GreySoul
Henry H
IamSmooth
In memory of Leo Powning
Jacob Cash
James Howells
James Pawson
Jeff Greenfield
Jeff Thomas
Jesse Frost
Jim Mitchell
jlr134
Joe Mastroianni
John Forcina
John Oberg
John Willcutt
Jon Newcomb
klugesmith
Leslie Wright
Lutz Hoffman
Mads Barnkob
Martin King
Mats Karlsson
Matt Gibson
Matthew Guidry
mbd
Michael D'Angelo
Mikkel
mileswaldron
mister_rf
Neil Foster
Nick de Smith
Nick Soroka
nicklenorp
Nik
Norman Stanley
Patrick Coleman
Paul Brodie
Paul Jordan
Paul Montgomery
Ped
Peter Krogen
Peter Terren
PhilGood
Richard Feldman
Robert Bush
Royce Bailey
Scott Fusare
Scott Newman
smiffy
Stella
Steven Busic
Steve Conner
Steve Jones
Steve Ward
Sulaiman
Thomas Coyle
Thomas A. Wallace
Thomas W
Timo
Torch
Ulf Jonsson
vasil
Vaxian
vladi mazzilli
wastehl
Weston
William Kim
William N.
William Stehl
Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Registered Member #543
Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4992
Any of the common target elements - W, Cu, Ag, Mo, Ge, Fe, Co etc have a general pattern of low level braking radiation broken up by very often strong emissions on highly defined spectral lines. The example I have given in the graph shows emission from a silver target with increasing anode voltage.
My question is this: if we take the silver spectrum as an example, if I gradually increase the anode voltage until I arrive at one of the strong emission peaks, will there be a corresponding change in Va/Ia equal to the energy radiated away in the spectral lines (minus various losses, I suppose)
Registered Member #2099
Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
Location: Los Altos, California
Posts: 1716
My guess is that when you reach the voltage which allows the emission peak, the extra energy radiated as X-rays will mean slightly less than proportional heating of anode, rather than a sudden tweak in the I/V curve. Might be hard to measure -- have you ever converted your X-ray intensity measurements into total radiant watts?
By very rough analogy, the temperature of a photovoltaic cell in the sun goes down when a maximum-power electrical load is connected to its terminals, compared with an open- or short-circuit. It's not hard to measure that effect with garden-variety Si cells from Radio Shack. It's a critical consideration for passive cooling of ultra-efficient multi-junction cells where tracking mirrors or lenses concentrate light to intensity of 500 suns.
Registered Member #543
Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4992
Well, Kludge, we'll soon find out, eh! I'll put my differential voltmeter across a measuring resistor* in the kathode line and then 'tune' the target voltage through the peaks and see what happens. Experiments wouldn't be much fun if we knew the outcome in advance!
But I do see what you mean about the problem, of nano measurments. Perhaps it would not be possible for the amateur to detect if indeed it does exist. I would expect the X-ray emission of a typical 10W tungsten tube would be of the order of 10mW, but beam angles of 2 and 3 deg. of the type I use by cranking up the focusing grid bias means that the beam has considerable fluence, comparable in some respects to a 10mW laser at close range.
I have a medium-low power tube (30kVp/10W/0.3 mm sq anode spot/ focusing grid/ambient air cooling) with a silver anode, which is the easiest to deal with as detection and measurement of peaks around 21keV is a routine maatter compared with target elements peaking well below 10kV like iron, nickel and cobalt.
If you are right, and there would be no change in Va/Ia but a change in the anode temperature, then a tube with a very low mass target could be created and its thermal radiation measured in search of the peaks. What's the betting that both Boltzmann's and Planck's Constant will be involved 'ere long. (I've always wanted to do something practical that involved both Boltzmann's Constant and Planck's Constant, which this experiment looks to do. Quanta talking to eachother in German accents! What fun!
Perhaps I shall discover nothing at all, but who can say? You have to be an optimist to construct wonderful things from designs of your own invention.
* But maybe safer from rogue spikes to use some very accurate current mirror, as in "Oh no not my Fluke!"
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.