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cowana
Tue Jul 14 2009, 04:40PM Print
cowana Registered Member #1641 Joined: Sun Aug 17 2008, 09:46PM
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Hey all.

I have a heater for a project I am working on which is rated at 250W, 110V.

However, here in the UK, mains voltage is 110V. A 250W transformer is above my budget, so I am looking for other means of reducing the voltage.

My idea is to use a 240V, 400W dimmer switch. I will turn down the voltage until my (slow sampling) multimeter reads an average of 110V. Problem solved?

Obviously this wouldn't work for a computer/microchip, but is it OK for a heater?

Thanks!

Andrew
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Sulaiman
Tue Jul 14 2009, 06:00PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Resistive heaters should be ok using a 'dimmer'

You could also use a 125 VA transformer that has two 120 Vac primaries in series
and use it as an autotransformer (leave the secondaries un-connected)
i.e. 2 x 120 Vac primaries in series,
240 Vac across both windings,
120 Vac from neutral to center-tap
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cowana
Tue Jul 14 2009, 06:05PM
cowana Registered Member #1641 Joined: Sun Aug 17 2008, 09:46PM
Location: Wimbledon, UK
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250W / 110V = 2.3A flowing through it all.

2.3A * 240V = 550W. (I think this is correct).

I'll order some dimmer switches.

Andrew

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tesla500
Tue Jul 14 2009, 07:24PM
tesla500 Registered Member #347 Joined: Sat Mar 25 2006, 08:26AM
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Make sure you use a true RMS reading multimeter when setting the voltage. Cheap meters take an average of the rectified voltage, which is not an accurate measurement with highly distorted waveshapes like your dimmer will be providing. This would cause you to set a voltage that's too high, and you may damage the heater.

If you must use a non true RMS multimeter, you'll need to calculate what voltage to set on the dimmer's output to compensate for the inaccurate measurement. This voltage will be somewhat below 110V

David
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cowana
Tue Jul 14 2009, 07:34PM
cowana Registered Member #1641 Joined: Sun Aug 17 2008, 09:46PM
Location: Wimbledon, UK
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That's fine - my meter is a high quality true RMS type.

I've ordered the dimmer module - I'll keep you updated with my progress.
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c4r0
Tue Jul 14 2009, 08:59PM
c4r0 Registered Member #151 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 02:53PM
Location: Poland
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Many of transformers has primary winding divided (center tap), so if you don't need electrical insulation you don't need 230->115 transformer. You can simply find any 230V transformer that has divided primary and suitable power, no matter what secondaries it has, and use it as autotransformer.
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GeordieBoy
Wed Jul 15 2009, 11:48AM
GeordieBoy Registered Member #1232 Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
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I would not recommend using a dimmer module because the phase angle control that it applies does not actually decrease the peak voltage!

If you run a 110V appliance off a "dimmed" 230VAC outlet you will still likely exceed the peak voltage level that the appliance was designed to safely operate from!

A 400W 240V dimmer would also likely overheat driving a 250W 110V load. This is because 250W at 110V represents more than twice the load current that 250W at 230V would do.

-Richie,
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Steve Conner
Wed Jul 15 2009, 12:16PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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If it were me I'd have bought two heaters and connected them in series.
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Fraggle
Wed Jul 15 2009, 07:22PM
Fraggle Registered Member #1526 Joined: Mon Jun 09 2008, 12:56AM
Location: UK
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How about a MOT? I`ve got loads if you want one, I might even have one with the secondary already off.
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cowana
Wed Jul 15 2009, 07:31PM
cowana Registered Member #1641 Joined: Sun Aug 17 2008, 09:46PM
Location: Wimbledon, UK
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I think I'll stick with the dimmer switch. It is very small and compact, and means I can turn down the voltage to make it a variable heater. I will set it by making the input just over 1A - that will equal a power output of around 250W.

Andrew
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