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Fusion
Fri Apr 07 2006, 09:00AM Print
Fusion Registered Member #354 Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:12AM
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Hello, I am new here.

I would like make my own 1m capacitor by using 0.5mm Mylar buying at Link2 (13.5kV)
I would make the roll with 2 mylar sheets and 2 of aluminium (M-A-M-A)

Kitchen aliminium has enought low ohm/m?

Do anibody know any not expensive high voltage dielectric?

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Desmogod
Fri Apr 07 2006, 09:30AM
Desmogod Registered Member #139 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 11:01AM
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Why do you want to go to the trouble of building an HV cap?
A few years ago "Roll your own" capacitors where all the rage
google for MMC Tesla and see what you get.
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Fusion
Fri Apr 07 2006, 02:00PM
Fusion Registered Member #354 Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:12AM
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Because I do not found high voltage ones at good price with widstand lots of KAmps
Do you know any?
I found russian ones but they do not respond to emails.
Others caps appear to have lots of mH but real capacity are uH.
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Steve Conner
Fri Apr 07 2006, 02:12PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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mH? uH? What units are capacitors measured in?

High voltage pulse capacitors are always expensive because the market for them is small and they're not mass-produced. If you do a bit of reading up on peak currents, RMS currents, voltage reversal, etc, you'll know whether you can get away with using ordinary capacitors. Plenty of people use kitchen aluminium foil for plates.

The cheapest dielectric I've ever seen is polythene sheeting that comes in rolls from a DIY store.
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The Wumpus
Fri Apr 07 2006, 07:49PM
The Wumpus Registered Member #325 Joined: Fri Mar 17 2006, 12:42AM
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Those mylar sheets should do well as a dielectric, depending on what you want to do with your capacitor (for demanding applications such as resonant circuits, e.g. tesla coil primary cap, you want a less lossy material). IMHO, homemade can be quite good, and if you need high capacitance, an MMC will probably be very expensive and require a lot of soldering anyway. Do you mean 1 microFarad or (heaven forbid) 1 milliFarad? The latter won't be feasible, that is certain.

Just be sure to leave ample safety margins between the plates of opposite polarity to avoid arc-over. For 13.5kV, I would use at least 50 mm (2 inches) just to be one the safe side. Also for a rolled cap you want to connect the turns of each plate on both ends to minimize inductance.
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Shahn
Fri Apr 07 2006, 09:50PM
Shahn Registered Member #210 Joined: Sun Feb 19 2006, 08:25AM
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Dr Desmo wrote ...

Why do you want to go to the trouble of building an HV cap?
A few years ago "Roll your own" capacitors where all the rage
I was going to roll a cap too, Why are poeple not doing it so much now. Is it worth the outlay for MMC or someting?
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i used a rolled cap for my old TC and it worked great, polyethylene plastic(my dad gets it at work all the time! ;) i couldnt get any plate stacked caps to work at all, and i hear is a better one to use because of high inductance of rolled caps, and also my plates werent connected at each end of the foil would this have made it any better?, i calculated .1uF for it btw and paralleled 3
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vasil
Fri Apr 07 2006, 10:08PM
vasil Registered Member #229 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 07:33PM
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I remember that my first homemade caps was made with PVC pipes

http://www.geocities.com/teslinasite/tcset.html

They were crappy anyway and needed a lot of them because the low capacitance, but they keep well at high voltage.
hmm...you can use the PVC pipe as a core for a rolled cap.
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Shahn
Sat Apr 08 2006, 12:19AM
Shahn Registered Member #210 Joined: Sun Feb 19 2006, 08:25AM
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Ok well Ill have a look atsome of the designs on the net and give it a go. Thanks
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GODSFUSION
Sat Apr 08 2006, 03:30AM
GODSFUSION Registered Member #157 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 08:00PM
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Ive tried to make a rolled capacitor but the Al always ripped while trying to rol it, so i stick with plate stacks.

- wayne -
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