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Removing capacitor from flyback

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Franky
Sun Apr 19 2009, 02:45PM Print
Franky Registered Member #1940 Joined: Tue Jan 27 2009, 02:34PM
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Hi

I have a question about my new flyback.
The flyback contains a capacitor in the HV section.
Is it possible to remove this capacitor? It is ruining the spark of my plasma speaker :(
Here is a picture of the flyback.
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I got the flyback from a philips IDTV.
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Proud Mary
Sun Apr 19 2009, 03:55PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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I don't actually see any capacitor - do you mean the potential divider for the screen supply with the two variable resistors on the front?
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Apr 19 2009, 03:56PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Really? That transformer looks to me like it does not have any capacitor. The rectangular thing is the focus/screen divider for the CRT, and the cylinder under the HV lead is probably the rectifier stack; it looks too slim to be a HV cap.

How is it ruining your spark?


Edit: Too slow!

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Antonio
Sun Apr 19 2009, 05:52PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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Practically all flyback transformers used in monitors have an internal capacitor and a rectifier. You can disconnect it insulating (with hot glue) its ground pin, that is one of the pins under the square box. You can cut the pin too, leaving less to be insulated. I prefer to keep the pin.
I don't see the capacitor ground pin in the picture. Maybe is the same visible under the potentiometers, or really there is no capacitor.
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Mads Barnkob
Sun Apr 19 2009, 06:28PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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A flyback have some selfcapacitance that will store a smaller energy, enough to give a good zap.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Apr 19 2009, 06:45PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Antonio wrote ...

Practically all flyback transformers used in monitors have an internal capacitor and a rectifier.
That is true, and most transformers used in TVs are capacitorless smile and thats where Franky got his one.
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lhl_henrylui
Mon Apr 20 2009, 04:51AM
lhl_henrylui Registered Member #1498 Joined: Thu May 22 2008, 07:08AM
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I have a FBT with internal capacitor.Can I use over voltage to break the capacitor.
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Apr 20 2009, 06:33AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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lhl_henrylui wrote ...

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I have a FBT with internal capacitor.Can I use over voltage to break the capacitor.
You will short it and get no output.

Look if the cap does not have a separate GND connection in which case it can be insulated and you can still use the FBT for moderate output voltages.

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Franky
Mon Apr 20 2009, 09:21AM
Franky Registered Member #1940 Joined: Tue Jan 27 2009, 02:34PM
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Antonio wrote ...

Practically all flyback transformers used in monitors have an internal capacitor and a rectifier. You can disconnect it insulating (with hot glue) its ground pin, that is one of the pins under the square box. You can cut the pin too, leaving less to be insulated. I prefer to keep the pin.
I don't see the capacitor ground pin in the picture. Maybe is the same visible under the potentiometers, or really there is no capacitor.

The following thing happens.
When I cut off the power, you can hear the flyback leaking power. When you wait 30 sec (after cutting the power) and bring the two HV connection close to each other, you can see and here a spark (0.5cm).

I tried to use this flyback for my plasma speaker. The sound is horrible, unless I make the spark less the 1cm. I think that some of the sparks are stored in the capacitor.

Here is a picture of my flyback
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Edit:
Another picture
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Dalus
Mon Apr 20 2009, 09:44AM
Dalus Registered Member #639 Joined: Wed Apr 11 2007, 09:09PM
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For a audio modulated flyback I would take the core out of a modern flyback and then wind your own secondary on a piece of yellow PVC, just one layer of wire. This will give a way shorter arc but a nice and stable AC output smile perfect for audio modulation.
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