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si2030
Sat Apr 18 2009, 12:53PM Print
si2030 Registered Member #1571 Joined: Wed Jul 02 2008, 03:26AM
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Hi there,

I have wound a secondary using a platter winding technique. That is, a number of square spiral coils next to each other. See the picture.

I am asking if anybody knows how to calculate the inductance of such a winding given it has a ferrite core and given that you know the number of turns, the dimensions of the core the voltage and the frequency. It can be done for a normal winding quite easily but how does the fact its wound in a platter configuration change the calculation if at all?

Kind Regards

Simon
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Antonio
Sat Apr 18 2009, 01:08PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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If the core is closed, only the number of turns is important. The inductance is proportional to the square of the number of turns. If you wrap a known number of turns around the core and measure the inductance, you know the constant that multiplies the square of the number of turns, and can determine the inductance of any coil. With an open core, this is also very close to the truth. The exact geometry of the coil is important only in a coil without core, or with air core.
Voltage and frequency appear only if you consider nonlinear effects as core saturation, and the distributed capacitance of the coil.
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si2030
Sat Apr 18 2009, 01:44PM
si2030 Registered Member #1571 Joined: Wed Jul 02 2008, 03:26AM
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Thanks Antonio,

I have this winding sitting just over a cm away from the core itself - for clearance. How does the fact a winding is not sitting next to the core and is wound "wider" than the area of the core affect the inductance if at all?
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KLH
Sat Apr 18 2009, 07:58PM
KLH Registered Member #1819 Joined: Thu Nov 20 2008, 04:05PM
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Antonio wrote ...

If the core is closed, only the number of turns is important. The inductance is proportional to the square of the number of turns. If you wrap a known number of turns around the core and measure the inductance, you know the constant that multiplies the square of the number of turns, and can determine the inductance of any coil. With an open core, this is also very close to the truth. The exact geometry of the coil is important only in a coil without core, or with air core.
Voltage and frequency appear only if you consider nonlinear effects as core saturation, and the distributed capacitance of the coil.

Any open (gapped) core can be considered as a single homogeneous (Did I spell that right?) material with an effective permeability of u. This is what you are trying to find.

DO NOT ignore voltage or frequency, as they can cause severe problems if not optimized to your core. I can help with this, if you provide the dimensions of your core.
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Coronafix
Sun Apr 19 2009, 10:15AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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Is the 89 SHS your core? Or is this removed and replaced with ferrite? Rough inductance will be L=(4.06 x N^2 x u x A)/(27 x l) All units in inches. A=cross sectional area, l=length of coil. u=permeability of core N=no. turns.
Can you share the purpose of the coil? High voltage will introduce problems with the sharp corners.
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