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IamSmooth
Tue Apr 14 2009, 07:01PM Print
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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I have searched some web pages and found things like this: Link2

I have 18g wire wrapped in a bundle embedded in fiberglass. The top and bottom of the coil is just barely covered with fiberglass resin/marble dust and the center of the coil is hollow (no resin, just air).

The link I have show is very conservative. Anyone have an idea how much current I can put in without burning out the coil? I may have to just start putting in current myself and measure the temperature with an IR thermometer.
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Proud Mary
Tue Apr 14 2009, 07:26PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Tf = Ti + [q / (m x Cg)]

Tf is the temperature increase after 1 second
Ti the initial temperature
q is the energy in Joules,
m is the total conductive mass of your wire in grams
Cg is the specific heat of copper (0.385)

The final termperature will be reached with thermal equilibrium between your coil's resistive dissipation, and the heat lost through conduction, convection and radiation through your insulating material.

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Bored Chemist
Wed Apr 15 2009, 04:56PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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If you look up the temperature coefficient of the resistance of copper, you can use the windings as their own thermometer.
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kell
Wed Apr 15 2009, 06:49PM
kell Registered Member #142 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 01:19PM
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The chassis wiring and transmission line current limits on that website won't apply to a coil embedded in fiberglass.
Here's a discussion forum for people that build wind turbines, and some of the people on the board have a lot of experience building coils similar to yours, embedded in materials such as epoxy or fiberglass. check out
Link2
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Steve Conner
Thu Apr 16 2009, 11:29AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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I'd check out guidelines for current density in transformer windings, these are probably more applicable. I seem to remember some simple rule of thumb that just recommends so many amps per square inch of copper cross-section. 400, or 750 or something.
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KLH
Thu Apr 16 2009, 05:29PM
KLH Registered Member #1819 Joined: Thu Nov 20 2008, 04:05PM
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The recommended current density in windings is 450 A per square inch.
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