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93.8 kvar Windmill capacitors

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Mads Barnkob
Wed Apr 08 2009, 06:46PM Print
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
Location: Denmark, Odense C
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Hey All

I stuck my dirty little fingers in some dirty pies and got out with 2 huge capacitors from a big windmill, its most likely the smoothing capacitors.

Using this calculator Link2

I get the capacitance to be 324uF, using 960V, 93,8kVAr and 50Hz.

What is the Ui rated 3/15 kV on the plate?

What possible uses, except charging them with somewhere around 2500VDC just to be safe and vaporize some copper, are there?

I added a matchbox for size reference because I ran out of beercans.

or should I get rid of them before I get killed :)


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Plasma Lover
Wed Apr 08 2009, 07:34PM
Plasma Lover Registered Member #1911 Joined: Mon Jan 05 2009, 06:30PM
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Well, that's a great find. How much did it cost to dig that out of the pie, if you don't mind my asking?

I think that the Ui rating may be a pulse-rating, which is rare for a capacitor, in my experience, but it would be useful to have. If you didn't notice, it says 'Selfhealing" on the plate, which would contribute to this inference (really a guess).

You could use it for coin-shrinking, I'll bet. The output at 900V would be about 131J. Is it a dual-capacitor, or do you have two of them? I'm not sure that 131J is sufficient for coin-shrinking... You could use it as a demonstration model and shrink cans, for sure. You could make an awesome disk/can launcher.

I'll bet you can think of a few other applications.
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Kizmo
Wed Apr 08 2009, 07:51PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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Its 3phase PFC capacitor so there are actually three capacitors.

Some models may have internal fuses. I had some time ago 20kVAC 100kVAR PFC cap from distribution station and it died almost instantly in pulse applications. I wouldnt use those caps in rapid discharge related stuff because they will fail quickly.
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Mads Barnkob
Wed Apr 08 2009, 08:57PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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They were given to me from a friend, taken out of duty as their windmill application lifetime was spend.

At what voltages did you ruin those 20kVAC capacitors?

Maybe they will surviwe at lower voltages, but I did already know that this would properly not be very usuful for anything :/
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GeordieBoy
Thu Apr 09 2009, 07:50PM
GeordieBoy Registered Member #1232 Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
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It is indeed a 3-phase PFC capacitor bank. The kvar figure likely applies to the total kvar across the three phases so each capacitor will be one third of the value you calculated. The Ui figure may be the impulse voltage spec between any of the phases and earth, although I am not familiar with this rating so could be wrong.

If it has been deemed to have reached the end of it's useful life then it may have "self-healed" so many times that it's capacitance could be well down on its rating plate value. I'd measure it with a DVM, or hook it up to your mains line and measure the kVARs that it actually draws!!!

It is likely useless for any sort of pulse duty due to the way the self-healing is implemented. If you try to discharge insane currents out of the capacitor you'll probably just fuse sections of the plate patterning and decrease the capacitance value very quickly. I'm sure this won't stop you trying it a couple of times though!

-Richie,
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