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Capacitor charging in parallels & discharging in series

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woxxey
Fri Apr 03 2009, 04:42PM Print
woxxey Registered Member #1906 Joined: Sat Jan 03 2009, 05:06PM
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Would there be any problems with charging capacitors and discharging them in parallel? except for the switches being complicated.

I read somewhere, probably on this forum, that the capacitors might charge differently and when reconnecting them in series this might damage them, is this correct?
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Shaun
Fri Apr 03 2009, 05:00PM
Shaun Registered Member #690 Joined: Tue May 08 2007, 03:47AM
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Try a google search for "Marx Generator". It is a simple device that utilizes a series of spark gaps to do exactly what you are talking about: charge capacitors in parallel and discharge in series.

The problem with charging capacitors in series (what you have probably heard about) is that they may have slightly different capacitances which will cause the voltage to be unevenly distributed among the caps. Some could be subjected to overvoltage while others are not charged fully.

This is usually applied to electrolytic caps since they often have capacitances that vary greatly from the label. The solution to the problem can be as simple as placing "balancing resistors" across each capacitor.
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Barry
Sat Apr 04 2009, 05:37AM
Barry Registered Member #90 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:44PM
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A balancing resistor is slightly lame since it wastes energy by leaking current. Your idea to charge in parallel is better (except for all the switches, as you note). The series arrangement offers the advantage of discharging a much higher voltage than your power supply can provide.

This has been done before in the Discovery Channel 7KJ coilgun. Scroll down to the "charging system" and make note of banks of relays that are timed by an industrial controller module.

They even used another relay for two-speed charging. To avoid overloading the power supply they start charging from zero with a higher series resistance, then drop to a lower resistance when the capacitors are half full.

Cheers, Barry
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woxxey
Sun Apr 05 2009, 08:54AM
woxxey Registered Member #1906 Joined: Sat Jan 03 2009, 05:06PM
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Thank you for your answers!

Also, would it be necessary to break the parallel circuit when connecting them in series?

This wasn't done in the marx generator picture on wikipedia but it seems to me like two capacitors might overload a third.
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Frosty90
Sun Apr 05 2009, 10:25AM
Frosty90 Registered Member #1617 Joined: Fri Aug 01 2008, 07:31AM
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The marx generator circuit connects the caps in parrallel via a high value resistance or inductance, so to the discharge pulse (which has alot of high frequency components), the parrallel connection looks like an open circuit (or at least a relativley high impedance), you would have to either have some sort of passive netowrk like this or a set of switches etc to disconnect the parrallel conections before connecting them in series.

Cheers

Jesse
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woxxey
Sun Apr 05 2009, 02:44PM
woxxey Registered Member #1906 Joined: Sat Jan 03 2009, 05:06PM
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Thanks.
Thats probably all i wanted to know, unless you happen know of some nice design of this kind of switch. In that case I'm quite curious to see what it looks like :P
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