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Source of lithium battery datasheets

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TheMerovingian
Thu Mar 12 2009, 12:45PM Print
TheMerovingian Registered Member #14 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:04PM
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Anyone knows where to find lithium batteries datasheets?

I need to design a portable hydrogen power source for charging laptops, and i would like to know the voltages/currents involved in charging
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Steve Conner
Thu Mar 12 2009, 01:17PM
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The useful voltage range of a Li-Ion is 3.0 to 4.2v per cell, and the charge usually takes 3 hours. 1.5 hours at constant current (about 1C) until the voltage reaches 4.2/cell, then 1.5 hours at constant voltage until the charge current tapers off to C/20 or thereabouts.

Laptops always have a built-in Li-ion charger, a buck converter that runs off the DC input. They usually have power management that reduces the charge rate when the laptop is on, so as not to overload the AC adapter.
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Sulaiman
Thu Mar 12 2009, 02:51PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Fantastic aren't they (from a charger design point of view)
these guys have loads of datasheets of particular interrest Link2
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TheMerovingian
Fri Mar 13 2009, 10:47AM
TheMerovingian Registered Member #14 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:04PM
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many thanks , it is very useful
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Conundrum
Fri Mar 13 2009, 07:55PM
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Make sure you have a two layer failsafe, Li cells do not like being trickle charged. 10% current is the cutoff point, after that you are plating out Li metal onto the inside of the cell which can short out then explode if charging continues...

You are better off using a charging IC (IIRC Maxim do samples) and also the cell(s) will last longer.

Especially important is to ensure the cells are balanced by using the correct multi-cell charger, that can read the voltages on each cell.

-A
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Sulaiman
Fri Mar 13 2009, 11:21PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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The laptop Lithium batteries that I've disected have had a surprisingly complex ammount of electronics onboard, specifically the per-cell (or 2 or 3 in parallel) voltage is monitored as above, charge/discharge current and voltage monitoring, and battery charge status monitoring.

P.S. Have you heard of 'digital memory effect' ?
The individual cells do not have any significant 'memory effect' (NiCd cells may)
but each charge/discharge cycle causes a slight error, which accumulates over many cycles to the point where the onboard monitor may indicate that the battery has very little capacity left, whereas it's fine.
An occasional deep discharge (if the onboard circuitry allows) will reset/fix the problem. So if you've just thrown out your one yer old battery because 'the computer says no' (a tv gag in uk) then Ha Ha ! (Nelson from Simpsons)
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