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using gas surge arrester as a spark gap

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Weston
Sat Feb 07 2009, 08:57PM Print
Weston Registered Member #1316 Joined: Thu Feb 14 2008, 03:35AM
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I was wondering if a gas surge arrester could be used as a spark gap. Here is the datasheet of the component I was thinking of http://www.jensendevices.com/products/nr9275.pdf
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Feb 07 2009, 10:09PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Almost certainly not. I bet it would overheat in a few miliseconds.
If not anything other, just because of the tiny size. And of course it is not designed for periodic discharges.

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Weston
Mon Feb 09 2009, 05:31AM
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I was thinking for use as a sidiac replacement in a low power situation, for example TUD's candy box Hv supply. it only uses a watt or so. would it work in that situation?
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Download
Mon Feb 09 2009, 06:25AM
Download Registered Member #561 Joined: Sat Mar 03 2007, 02:46AM
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Even then it would still have trouble
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Weston
Mon Feb 09 2009, 07:01PM
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Why? It is marginally less efficient then a sidac but has a higher thermal mass and can run at higher temperatures.
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Feb 09 2009, 08:26PM
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well, from the datasheet it is not apparent if it has negative resistance behavior like normal gap, or if it clamps voltage just like a MOV... If the former, it might kinda work but i think you're still better with a classic gap, if the latter, it is not usable at all,

I thought you wanted to use it for a TC, for which won't work.

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Herr Zapp
Mon Feb 09 2009, 09:16PM
Herr Zapp Registered Member #480 Joined: Thu Jul 06 2006, 07:08PM
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Weston -

Two answers for you:

1. A gas surge arrester IS a spark gap, with carefully controlled electrode spacing, electrode shape, and internal pressure to control the breakdown voltage within narrow limits.

2. Could a gas surge arrester be used as a spark gap for Tesla coil? Certainly, but the operating life might be short.

Years ago I built a small "desktop" spark-gap Tesla coil using a string of five 2.5KV spark-gap surge arresters. The coil had a 2" X 10" secondary, a helical primary, a 3" X 6" toroid, and initially used reconstituted mica-paper tank capacitors. Performance was 18" arcs to a grounded strike target, 14" air streamers. Power source was a 9KV NST, but there must have been some resonant rise in the tank circuit because 5 X 2.5KV = 12.5KV, but the spark gaps actually started firing at about 60 volts input. In various configurations this coil probably ended up with a total of a few hours of operating time, with no detectable deterioration of the spark gaps. Run times were limited to less than 10 minutes of continuous operation to prevent overheating of the spark gaps. The surge arresters I used were quite a bit larger (~1/2" diameter X 2.5" long) than the ones you were looking at.

Here are some photos of the earliest breadboard stage:

1234214181 480 FT63322 P1010010 50 Discharge 1

1234214181 480 FT63322 P1010004 50 Coil Breadboard
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Feb 09 2009, 10:08PM
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That's cool, I stand corrected smile
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Steve Conner
Mon Feb 09 2009, 11:24PM
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I've also seen the surge arresters used as spark gaps. Many gas appliances, boilers, cookers and so on have an electric spark igniter. I took one apart once, and it was just a little "Tesla coil" with a ferrite core, and one of those surge arresters as the primary spark gap. The tank capacitor was charged off rectified 240V mains, so I guess it was an OLTC, too.
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Weston
Tue Feb 10 2009, 03:23AM
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I think littlefuse also makes special gas surge arrester type things for direct replacement of sidiacs.
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