Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 20
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
One birthday today, congrats!
Terrorhertz (15)


Next birthdays
09/30 Terrorhertz (15)
10/01 Avalanche (41)
10/02 Carl A. Willis (44)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: High Voltage
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Flyback inverter: Smoking inductor

Move Thread LAN_403
Dr. Dark Current
Sat Jan 31 2009, 06:39PM Print
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
Location: Czech Rep.
Posts: 3384
Hi all, I was having some problems with the slow turn-on RD combo on the gate of my MOSFET (which was kind of working) in my quasi-resonant inverter, with the purpose to decrease the peak current resulting from the resonant capacitor discharging right into the FET.

Today I designed a new way of limiting the current which is shown below:
1233426847 152 FT0 Driver

The inductor limits the peak capacitor discharging current, and during the flyback phase, the leftover energy is dissipated in the diodes (they don't really heat much).
It consists of 3 turns on a computer PSU yellow core.

The problem is, the core will get very hot after a while. I don't really understand this, the core is designed to operate as a DC choke and the frequency is also right. It's kind of funny to see a core like this overheat from just 3 turns around it.

Any ideas?

Back to top
GeordieBoy
Sat Jan 31 2009, 10:16PM
GeordieBoy Registered Member #1232 Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
Location: Doon tha Toon!
Posts: 881
If the core is getting hot and the diodes don't really heat much, then I'd guess the majority of power is actually being dissipated as core loss in the iron-powder core.

With only 3 turns on the iron-powder core, the inductance is probably not enough to limit the current ripple, hence the excessive heating.

Remember iron-powder cores in SMPSUs are designed to smooth current and don't like high peak-to-peak current ripple. That causes lots of core losses. As it happens the type-26 material used in cheap PC SMPSUs is the most lossy grade of iron-powder. Most iron-powder cores are also prone to thermal ageing so if it is getting hot, the binder material will degrade and the properties of the core change!

-Richie,
Back to top
Dr. Dark Current
Sat Jan 31 2009, 10:27PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
Location: Czech Rep.
Posts: 3384
Ok, thanks. So it's time to get a better core which can stand the current peaks, or do I need to change my design because there is no such core?

Back to top
GeordieBoy
Sat Jan 31 2009, 10:31PM
GeordieBoy Registered Member #1232 Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
Location: Doon tha Toon!
Posts: 881
If the Quasi-resonant converter is set up properly, then the switch should turn on when it's anti-parallel diode is already conducting and there is no voltage across it. If this is the case, then there should be no current spike through the switch at turn-on, that is how it's designed to work...

Link2

-Richie,
Back to top
Dr. Dark Current
Sat Jan 31 2009, 10:54PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
Location: Czech Rep.
Posts: 3384
Yeah but this is a dynamic-load multipurpose HV experimenter's PSU. It has variable power and secondary current limiting control, and the flyback spike amplitude and duration changes greatly depending on these settings and load (arcs for now), so it's impossible to get it to turn on always with 0 current.

Edit: Just got an idea - air cored inductor! With 1uH it shouldn't be that big...

Edit2: Works well smile

1233481926 152 FT62795 Coil


Back to top

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.