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IamSmooth
Sat Nov 29 2008, 12:09AM Print
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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I am searching for *simple* ideas for a fan cooling design. I have a voltage that can vary from 0 to 500v. As the voltage rises a shunt kicks into play, and I want a fan to cool the FETS. I am thinking about getting a 48v DC fan and connecting it parallel to the 25ohm dump load. I can use some series resistor to allow the proper voltage for the fan once the voltage exceeds a certain value. Does anyone have any other ideas?
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Nik
Sat Nov 29 2008, 01:09AM
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You could get a thermistor and stick it to the FET and use that to control the fan. Keeps the fan power separate from working power. I have seen a few PC case fans that use a thermistor to control the fan speed.
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IamSmooth
Sat Nov 29 2008, 03:18AM
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Thanks Nik, but part of the problem is I don't have a constant voltage source. There is no battery or Mains power; there is only a variable power source that can go from 0 to 500v at any time.
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Mattski
Sat Nov 29 2008, 04:05AM
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So what is happening is you have this 0-500V source, and when it gets too high you're using FETs to dump it into a 25 ohm load, correct?

One somewhat complicated way would be to put a buck/boost converter on this variable voltage source to run the fan at the appropriate voltage, and you could have the output to the fan track the current value of the voltage source, or have it track a thermistor. You could also incorporate energy storage: a rechargeable battery charged by the buck/boost converter, then another FET to PWM the fan from this, that way it can continue working when the supply goes to zero.

But you say simple... if you connect it in parallel to the 25 ohm load then you'll need roughly 2A flowing for it to power the fan at full speed, 2A*25ohm=50V, but actually more depending on how close to a current source it is. Is that the kind of current you roughly expect?
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IamSmooth
Sat Nov 29 2008, 04:22AM
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25 ohm dump load
there can be 8 amps flowing through

I am thinking of putting a 3k/10watt resistor in series with a 48v fan. This will be parallel to the 25 ohm load. I could connect a 56v (maximum voltage for the fan) across the fan to limit the voltage. This might work.
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Steve Conner
Sat Nov 29 2008, 08:42AM
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Just find out what the current draw of the fan is and use Ohm's law to size the resistor appropriately. For instance, if it was 48V, 0.1A, then you need a resistor that passes 0.1A at (500-48) = about 450V. Hence 4500 ohms. So I guess your 3k figure was ballpark anyway.

If this doesn't give enough cooling at low voltages (and my dump load tended to run hot at low power and actually get cooler at full power) then maybe you need a constant current source/sink instead of a resistor. You can probably cobble one together out of a LM317 and a high voltage FET, or whatever.
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IamSmooth
Sat Nov 29 2008, 03:19PM
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Yes, Steve. This is how I figured it out. The fan draws 0.05A. So:

25ohms*8A = 200v.
200v - 56v (max fan voltage) = 144v

144v/0.05A = 2880ohms ( I rounded to 3k)
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Nov 29 2008, 03:23PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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IamSmooth wrote ...

Yes, Steve. This is how I figured it out. The fan draws 0.05A. So:

25ohms*8A = 200v.
200v - 56v (max fan voltage) = 144v

144v/0.05A = 2880ohms ( I rounded to 3k)
Use a zener across the fan, the drive electronics can get damaged if the supply voltage is allowed to spike.


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IamSmooth
Sun Nov 30 2008, 03:58AM
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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IamSmooth wrote ...

I could connect a 56v (maximum voltage for the fan) across the fan to limit the voltage. This might work.

I had mentioned that point, although it seems I forgot to mention the word "zener". Thanks for affirming it.
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