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Charging 200v capacitors with a hand generator (will it ruin the caps?)

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El_Roberto
Thu Oct 23 2008, 07:45AM Print
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As the title says i have been playing around with charging my 200v 5900uf capacitors using an old (most likely antique) hand generator and a heavy duty bridge rectifier i have, it charges them perfectly in about 2minutes (with some effort). But i want to know if this could damage the caps in anyway? The generator puts out 100v ac measured with a multimeter but i can still charge the caps to 200v, which makes no sense to me since its impossible to charge above supply voltage...

P.S. i learnt my lesson about double checking polarity as i just set fire to the floor when i accidentally put the diode in the wrong way (discharged 100j through the diode)
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Bjørn
Thu Oct 23 2008, 08:00AM
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It will charge to the peak voltage of the output waveform from the generator, Link2

For a sine wave it would be 100*sqrt(2) = 141 V. If it is not a perfect sine wave your voltmeter Link2 might measure it wrong and the peak would in any case be something else.

As long as you don't go over the rated voltage and do too many high current discharges the capacitors should be fine.

Remember to read this since you have enough energy there to be unsafe: Link2
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El_Roberto
Thu Oct 23 2008, 08:57AM
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Ok thanks, im using the caps for a small coilgun (hence the diode). Just read the saftey guide, better safe than sorry, im gonna insulate all the connectors from now on. (on a crazy sidenote me and some friends (when we were about 7)used to chase people with the generator leads and zap them... probly not a smart idea thinking back.)
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Steve Conner
Thu Oct 23 2008, 11:36AM
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Err, surely you can just use a voltmeter and quit cranking before the caps get charged above 200V? Overcharging is the only way the generator could damage them.
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El_Roberto
Sat Nov 01 2008, 01:49AM
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So if I were to put a bridge rectifier on the mains (240v ac) then as long as I didnt overcharge the capacitors I wouldn't damage tham?
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Myke
Sat Nov 01 2008, 08:46AM
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You would also need a charging resistor like a 60W lamp in series with it because the bank will look like a short right when you start charging it. Also when charging from mains, be careful because it's not isolated from the mains.
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El_Roberto
Sat Nov 01 2008, 09:30AM
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Yep I just tried, I used 2 10watt 15k ohm resistors to limit the current. Gave me hell of a fright when I fired the coilgun though, I guess my soldering wasnt good enough because the connection between all my diodes and the coil literally exploded (I guess the connection had too much resistance).
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Myke
Sat Nov 01 2008, 06:12PM
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Use physical connections. For example, having copper rails go to the cap and bolting down the SCR.
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