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guitardude012
Mon Sept 01 2008, 07:00AM Print
guitardude012 Registered Member #968 Joined: Fri Aug 24 2007, 04:54PM
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I am sure there is an easy solution to this one:

If I charge two capacitors in parallel to 348VDC from a full wave rectifier, what is a good way of disconnecting the positive terminals(The negative terminals may stay connected). This seems out of the range for a toggle switch.

Thanks,

Josh





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Backyard Skunkworks
Mon Sept 01 2008, 07:06AM
Backyard Skunkworks Registered Member #1262 Joined: Fri Jan 25 2008, 05:22AM
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Standard 15A light switch comes to mind, it shouldnt arc over until atleast 1kv.
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Dr. Slack
Mon Sept 01 2008, 07:12AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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If you mean an isolation switch to connect the caps to the charger before and during charging, and to isolate them from the charger once charging has finished, then a toggle switch sounds fine. Any practical contact separation distance in air will withstand 384v when open, and almost any switch geometry heavy enough to support itself will carry any likely charging current.

However, if you are going to open the switch while charging to control the final voltage, then you'll need to check the breaking capacity. Also if the charger has significant output capacitance, and you want to close the switch to recharge when the charger is on, then there will be a large inrush current which could weld contacts.

What's supplying the AC to the full wave rectifier, a charger you can switch on and off?

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guitardude012
Mon Sept 01 2008, 07:18AM
guitardude012 Registered Member #968 Joined: Fri Aug 24 2007, 04:54PM
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The AC is being supplied by a Philmore 200W 110->220 transformer. edit: it does have a switch (and it seems to have considerable capacitance).

I need to charge two capacitors in parallel and then separate them (edit: from eachother) for use in a v-switch. One must maintain its charge while the other is discharging.
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Steve Conner
Mon Sept 01 2008, 11:43AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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How about a diode? That's what Evgenij, the inventor of the V-switch coilgun used. Look for diodes D4 and D5 in this schematic: Link2
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Neil
Mon Sept 01 2008, 12:34PM
Neil Registered Member #1458 Joined: Wed Apr 30 2008, 09:47AM
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Not sure if your bank is a large one or a small one, but below is my take on a mechanical switch to isolate one of my capacitor banks from the charging circuit after charging. Might be overkill for what you require but maybe it could give you some ideas. I only use air for safety as its in the kV range, so there are no wires to give any chance of it getting back to me. Maybe a small solenoid would work for you at that voltage.
1220272133 1458 FT53277 Isolation Switch 1

1220272133 1458 FT53277 Isolation Switch 2
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guitardude012
Mon Sept 01 2008, 05:54PM
guitardude012 Registered Member #968 Joined: Fri Aug 24 2007, 04:54PM
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Thanks for that link Dr Quit... I only had the incomplete version explaining the v-switch.

That looks like a very nice switch Neil. My bank is "smallish".... just under 2.5kJ on the high capacitance side. I havent chosen the quench caps yet.


edit: OK I can't believe I didn't think of using 2 diodes. Sounds like a plan.

Thanks,

Josh
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