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ragnar
Tue Mar 21 2006, 11:12AM Print
ragnar Registered Member #63 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:18AM
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'evening all,
I'm looking for a solution to a PWM problem:

I'd like a constant output frequency, up to 8MHz, with a 50% duty cycle, varied to one or other end (e.g. 5% to 95%) by a lower frequency analog signal (up to 1MHz).

As soon as I thought PWM, TL494 came to mind, but of course, that's 500kHz tops, so out of the question.

What chips are out there that are suitable up to these frequencies, with this depth of modulation?

cheers,
Matt
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Tue Mar 21 2006, 03:14PM
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Any change of using a microprocessor or fpga? 8mhz is pretty fast for a pic, but...

Do I see an audiomodulated 8mhz sstc brewing in that mind of yours wink

EVR had a coil running at 10.1mhz on his site, but the driver is sort of left out on the page angry

The fastest pwm chip from ti is a mere 4mhz mistrust


good luck!
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Steve Conner
Tue Mar 21 2006, 03:25PM
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I was looking for a PWM chip that would operate at 1MHz for a project at work, and never found any I liked. I ended up making my own: I discovered a cheap simple way to do it that I can't tell you about wink But I doubt even that would work at 8MHz.

Anyway, if it's for a power electronic application, you won't be able to use PWM at such high frequencies. A Class-E or Class-DE power stage only has proper soft switching at one duty cycle.
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Marko
Tue Mar 21 2006, 03:35PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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So this one works up to 40Mhz:

Link2

I troubled myself to find one, dont know if there are any similar ICs.
You can program the waveform, duty cycle, and frequency by your wish, IC may be harder to get but maxim may send you sample if you ask nicely. smile

cheers...
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Sulaiman
Tue Mar 21 2006, 04:14PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Assuming you've already got the 8 MHz oscillator all you need is a monostable with a time of
say 10 to 120 ns.
I think that this can be as simple as a variable pull-up resistor of 1 to 11 kOhm on a schmitt gate coupled by a capacitor of about 10pF.
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Mike
Tue Mar 21 2006, 04:46PM
Mike Registered Member #58 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:40AM
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Yeh looks to be possible to sample from them here Link2

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Marko
Tue Mar 21 2006, 06:21PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Assuming you've already got the 8 MHz oscillator all you need is a monostable with a time of
say 10 to 120 ns.
I think that this can be as simple as a variable pull-up resistor of 1 to 11 kOhm on a schmitt gate coupled by a capacitor of about 10pF.


With that approach you can simply make an astable out of 74HC14 and control duty cycle using diodes.
Output signal quality would probably be like your monostable method.

Using specialised monostable ICs can help, but I think its best idea to stick to special ICs like one I put datasheet for.

I discovered a cheap simple way to do it that I can't tell you about


top-secret? confused
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Desmogod
Wed Mar 22 2006, 12:34AM
Desmogod Registered Member #139 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 11:01AM
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Matt,
Go with the Max038, but at those sort of frequencies, the waveform starts looking a little bit dodgy.
I know this chip can trigger TTL and CMOS.
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ragnar
Wed Mar 22 2006, 05:04AM
ragnar Registered Member #63 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:18AM
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Max038 from DigiKey is USD$23.00. "High frequency waveform generator up to 20MHz".. we are talking about the same thing, methinks. Worth the investment? Where can I find them more affordably, knowing me I'll probably burn at least two before I get anything working wink

Whatever the implementation of the pwm (discrete, IC, etc), it'll be going into a commercial product, where later I'll have the capital to buy ICs at a rapacious cost. Can't buy 10 at that price now though... =P

The output waveform doesn't need to be perfect. Even a quasi-sinewave would do. The PWM will be going to discrete gatedrivers then power transistors, so not too much worry there.

Where can I find them cheaper?

cheers,
Matt
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Desmogod
Wed Mar 22 2006, 05:39AM
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Bp, I sampled mine.....
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