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Avalanche
Fri Mar 17 2006, 05:28PM Print
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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I have some metalised polyester caps, rated at .47uF / 275VAC. I am using 3 in parallel on a fullbridge.

Would these survive being used at 500 volts for a few milliseconds?
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Mar 17 2006, 05:49PM
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I have 400VDC PP (polypropylen) caps, that can be charged to 1000V, and they take the charge for long time, without failure. I'm not sure about polyester though, but I think they should be able to withstand it.
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EEYORE
Fri Mar 17 2006, 06:24PM
EEYORE Registered Member #99 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:10PM
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Avalanche wrote ...

I have some metalised polyester caps, rated at .47uF / 275VAC. I am using 3 in parallel on a fullbridge.

Would these survive being used at 500 volts for a few milliseconds?
If being used for voltage transient protection, i think they will do fine. Are you going to run the bridge at 500volts in?

Matt
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Avalanche
Fri Mar 17 2006, 06:34PM
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Yes, the bridge will be run at a maximum of 500v, but only single shot - ie charge a large capacitor to 500v, then switch it onto the bridge.
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Sulaiman
Fri Mar 17 2006, 07:17PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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A 275 Vac rating means AT LEAST sqrt(2) x 275 = 389 V peak
In practice the capacitor will probably be 400 to 600 V dc rated.
Capacitors are tested to 1.5 to 2.2 times rated
so for UNSAFE use up to 1000 V probably works.
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Avalanche
Fri Mar 17 2006, 07:37PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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Thanks - I will use them on the bridge then.

Even if they do let go, it wouldn't matter too much as I have loads, just wanted to get some input.
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Marko
Fri Mar 17 2006, 07:44PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Poliesters know to be sensitive, you can easily get fireworks on your bridge.
They may work but it is not good idea.
For even pulsed operation I dont recommend them, rather series two and be 100% safe.
I blew easily some poliesters discharging them rapidly at 300V rated for 400, so I dont recommend pushing twice or more rated voltage.
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Avalanche
Sat Mar 18 2006, 04:22PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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I'll try it later tonight hopefully, if it fails at least i'll have something for the 'most spectacular failures' thread cheesey
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Sulaiman
Sat Mar 18 2006, 04:45PM
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For ac bypassing of the dc supply to the bridge
I would put all in parallel to reduce the current in each

from memory,
I have destroyed mylar capacitors through overheating
either high frequency dielectric dissipation
or Isquared.R
Mylar film caps seem quite good with overvolting.
I use polypropylene capacitors for ac bypass of the dc supply
(because I have them)
Motor-run and film/foil.

Good Aluminium electrolytics seem ok below 100 kHz,
and above that Mylar gets really lossy.
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