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2 quick questions: diode speed?, camera blitz-whining?

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SkullCurrentResistor
Fri Mar 17 2006, 10:58AM Print
SkullCurrentResistor Registered Member #308 Joined: Sun Mar 12 2006, 03:30PM
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1:
in my efforts to improve my coilgun-boost converter im starting to wonder if the diode
i have used is fast enough, im sitting here with a 2-page datasheet on it, it doesnt say much, how do i determine how fast a diode is?

2:
that whining that comes when you use a camera with blitz, how does that happen?, what kind of component(s) do that?, and would it be fairly accurate to use it as a voltage "indicator"?

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EN
Fri Mar 17 2006, 03:38PM
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1) Normally the diode datasheet should state the "reverse recovery time" which describes the time it takes for a diode to stop conducting upon voltage reversal.
To measure this time you could monitor the current flowing through your diode with an ossciloscope and watch, how long reverse current is flowing.

2) The whining comes from the transformer that is driven in the upper end of the audible range (or hormonics of those?) and hence vibrates at those frequencys. The frequency varies with the voltage of the charged capacitor because the duty cycle and therefore the frequency rises, as the voltage rises.
You can use it as a voltage indicator when you mesure which frequency the inverter puts out at which voltage, but there are better, simpler, more accurate and more reliable approaches. I could imagine, that the frequency is also dependant on the input voltage or the temperature.
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Simon
Sat Mar 18 2006, 01:58AM
Simon Registered Member #32 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 08:58AM
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If you tell us the part number and the fres you're driving it at, plenty of people here should have had some experience with it.

The transformer whining is caused by an effect called magnetostriction. That should be enough to help you do a web search.

For some diodes, like schottkies, you'd want to look at junction capacitance to estimate the effectiveness at high frequency.
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SkullCurrentResistor
Mon Mar 20 2006, 10:34AM
SkullCurrentResistor Registered Member #308 Joined: Sun Mar 12 2006, 03:30PM
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hmm, well i have used a 1n5408, and im not sure that its fast enough..
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Sulaiman
Mon Mar 20 2006, 10:45AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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When we talk of how 'fast' a diode is,
we are reffering to how quickly it turns OFF.
So if this diode (1N54xx are slow) is used to 'catch' the excess energy in the coil
- it's ok
If this diode is subjected to frequent high-frequency reversals
(such as a xwitching power supply / boost convertor)
use UF54xx or other 'fast' diodes.

If a diode data sheet doesn't give reverse recovery time
you can assume it's a standard (slow) diode
typ. several us recovery, dc to audio frequencies only.

When I come across cheap fast diodes on eBay I buy a bunch
so most of my circuits use fast diodes whether they're needed or not.

P.S. The pitch of the "whining' sound as the capacitor is charging
is related to power/battery voltage
and capacitor charging voltage
so you can use it as a rough guide to charging voltage
but a meter is much better.

Although moving coil panel meters are cute/stylish/retro
I advise using those very cheap supermarket digital multimeters
as they are cheaper, more accurate, and overall more versatile.
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