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teslacoolguy
Sun May 11 2008, 11:39PM Print
teslacoolguy Registered Member #1107 Joined: Thu Nov 08 2007, 10:09PM
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Today i scored a mo in the trash so now i want to make a resonant mot supply. Im new to these so i need a little help and have a couple of questions.

1. do the 2 mots have to be identical
2. do the resonant caps have to be identical

here are the ratings on the moc's
.8uf 2000wvac and .67uf 1600wvac and .65uf 2100vac
I have 3 mots and 2 of them look almost identical in power rating.
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Arcstarter
Mon May 12 2008, 12:33AM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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Well you will need 4 moc's, but no, they do not have to be the same values. They weren't for mine and i still got great performance.
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon May 12 2008, 06:09AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Yes they don't have to be the same and you will need 4 caps. You can also make big arcs with just 1 MOT and 3 caps (all caps in parallel, and in series with your arc).





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Dragon64
Mon May 12 2008, 11:29PM
Dragon64 Registered Member #1438 Joined: Sat Apr 12 2008, 12:57AM
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When I finally set up my resonant, it worked great, making a foot long arc but after two minutes of operation, a loud slapping noice could be heard. I stopped and checked out the MOC's and the MOT and everything seemed normal. I powered it up again and it worked normal until I heard the same noise. I have no idea on what the problem is.

And also, do you know where I could buy a MOC?
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teslacoolguy
Tue May 13 2008, 12:36AM
teslacoolguy Registered Member #1107 Joined: Thu Nov 08 2007, 10:09PM
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your best bet on were to buy a moc is ebay.
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Myke
Tue May 13 2008, 02:49AM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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Once upon a time, I tried to run two MOTs in series with one MOC. It lived for a while but then it went bang. The End.

Moral of the story; use more than one MOC.
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue May 13 2008, 07:01AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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hydraliskdragon wrote ...

When I finally set up my resonant, it worked great, making a foot long arc but after two minutes of operation, a loud slapping noice could be heard. I stopped and checked out the MOC's and the MOT and everything seemed normal. I powered it up again and it worked normal until I heard the same noise. I have no idea on what the problem is.
Firstly try to space your caps' metal cans so they dont touch. Maybe they are sparking internally.

It is also possible that your MOTs are overheating and causing decreased insulation voltage stand-off capability. Check the temperature of the windings (by your finger, if you burn it you know it is too hot tongue )





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Dragon64
Tue May 13 2008, 12:59PM
Dragon64 Registered Member #1438 Joined: Sat Apr 12 2008, 12:57AM
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Thanks everyone for the input. I checked the MOT's primary and secondary tempurature but it only rose about 7ºC higher, but I found out what the problem was. While I was making arc's, a huge spark jumped from the canister of the capacitor, to my HV end. I re-organized the caps and the sound went away.
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Dragon64
Thu May 15 2008, 01:54PM
Dragon64 Registered Member #1438 Joined: Sat Apr 12 2008, 12:57AM
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Here's the video of the better working resonant MOT
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