If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.
Special Thanks To:
Aaron Holmes
Aaron Wheeler
Adam Horden
Alan Scrimgeour
Andre
Andrew Haynes
Anonymous000
asabase
Austin Weil
barney
Barry
Bert Hickman
Bill Kukowski
Blitzorn
Brandon Paradelas
Bruce Bowling
BubeeMike
Byong Park
Cesiumsponge
Chris F.
Chris Hooper
Corey Worthington
Derek Woodroffe
Dalus
Dan Strother
Daniel Davis
Daniel Uhrenholt
datasheetarchive
Dave Billington
Dave Marshall
David F.
Dennis Rogers
drelectrix
Dr. John Gudenas
Dr. Spark
E.TexasTesla
eastvoltresearch
Eirik Taylor
Erik Dyakov
Erlend^SE
Finn Hammer
Firebug24k
GalliumMan
Gary Peterson
George Slade
GhostNull
Gordon Mcknight
Graham Armitage
Grant
GreySoul
Henry H
IamSmooth
In memory of Leo Powning
Jacob Cash
James Howells
James Pawson
Jeff Greenfield
Jeff Thomas
Jesse Frost
Jim Mitchell
jlr134
Joe Mastroianni
John Forcina
John Oberg
John Willcutt
Jon Newcomb
klugesmith
Leslie Wright
Lutz Hoffman
Mads Barnkob
Martin King
Mats Karlsson
Matt Gibson
Matthew Guidry
mbd
Michael D'Angelo
Mikkel
mileswaldron
mister_rf
Neil Foster
Nick de Smith
Nick Soroka
nicklenorp
Nik
Norman Stanley
Patrick Coleman
Paul Brodie
Paul Jordan
Paul Montgomery
Ped
Peter Krogen
Peter Terren
PhilGood
Richard Feldman
Robert Bush
Royce Bailey
Scott Fusare
Scott Newman
smiffy
Stella
Steven Busic
Steve Conner
Steve Jones
Steve Ward
Sulaiman
Thomas Coyle
Thomas A. Wallace
Thomas W
Timo
Torch
Ulf Jonsson
vasil
Vaxian
vladi mazzilli
wastehl
Weston
William Kim
William N.
William Stehl
Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Registered Member #152
Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
Location: Czech Rep.
Posts: 3384
I've made frequency modulated plasma speaker where I input the audio to the Rt pin of the SMPS IC (SG3525). I understand this is not the best approach, and I was wondering what chip would you recommend for this task (voltage controlled frequency modulation)?
Registered Member #1232
Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
Location: Doon tha Toon!
Posts: 881
I have used the technique you described and it works fine. The important thing is to inject the audio via a resistor and capacitor in series to the Rt pin, with the usual resistor still in place to set the quiescent frequency.
...but you could search for dedicated VCO chips if you prefer. The popular 4046 PLL device incorporates a Voltage-Controlled-Oscillator which has good linearity.
Registered Member #152
Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
Location: Czech Rep.
Posts: 3384
GeordieBoy wrote ...
I have used the technique you described and it works fine. The important thing is to inject the audio via a resistor and capacitor in series to the Rt pin, with the usual resistor still in place to set the quiescent frequency.
One thing I have noticed is that there is some difference in sound perofrmance if you use larger Ct and smaller Rt, or smaller Ct and larger Rt, to get the same running frequency. From my observation, larger Ct and smaller Rt results in more volume. However I'm not 100% sure about that.
How important is the resistor in series with the audio input?
Registered Member #1232
Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
Location: Doon tha Toon!
Posts: 881
The ramp generator in PWM controller ICs usually uses something called a "current mirror". This arrangement of transistors charges the timing capacitor Ct with a current identical to that current which flows out of the Rt pin and through the timing resistor Rt. It is done this way so the ramp is highly linear because thats what you ideally want for PWM.
When you feed current from an audio source into the Rt pin of the chip you are adding or subtracting from the current already been driven down through Rt. The current mirror copies this new varying current through Ct and hence the charging slope (and the frequency of oscillation) changes.
The relative sizes of Rt, Ct and the resistor through which you introduce the audio modulation dictate the quiescent operating frequency and the depth of the frequency modulation. Since you are modulating the charging rate instead of the period, the modulation should be quite linear.
It's still a rough way to achieve FM, but it is sometimes used in SMPSUs to modulate the switching frequency in response to the mains voltage waveform. Kind of "spread spectrum" for SMPSUs in order to lower the peak EMI emissions! (A dirty trick in my opinion )
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.