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nrhoades
Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:20PM Print
nrhoades Registered Member #610 Joined: Wed Mar 28 2007, 09:44PM
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Does anyone know of any current-sense chips that measure the current magnitide in both directions?

If not:
I want to measure the current in a full bridge. I have a whole bunch of Allegro hall effect sensors that output a voltage proportional to the current through them, but the Zero-Current output voltage is 2.5V. I want to compare the output voltage to a user-settable voltage through a comparator. Problem is that the output voltage is below 2.5V when current is flowing in one direction, and above 2.5V when flowing in the other.

I already have them and would like to use them if possible. Anyone know of simple circuits that can solve the problem, or should I just use two chips in the bridge?
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tesla500
Thu Mar 27 2008, 07:20PM
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You just need two comparators, one that activates when the current is greater than 2.5V + v, and another that activates when the voltage is below 2.5V - v, where v is the user adjustable voltage. You could use op-amps to make the voltages (2.5 + v) and (2.5 - v), and then use two comparators to do the comparison, and OR their outputs to get the overcurrent detected output.

David
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Sulaiman
Thu Mar 27 2008, 07:59PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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I interpret what you wrote to be a (peak ac current exceeded) signal.

If so you must remember to enable the signal after the initial inrush current.

If the rectifiers/diodes that form the bridge have negligible leakage,
then the uni-polar signal on the dc side of the bridge can be monitored,
requiring only one comparator.

Assuming that a small voltage drop is allowable,
you could just use a current-sense resistor in either the positive or negative line,
allowing a simple comparison between a (divided) reference voltage and the voltage across the current-sense resistor.
Or of course, you can use a hall effect sensor etc.

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Steve Conner
Thu Mar 27 2008, 08:31PM
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Why not use a window comparator on the output of your Hall sensor, it worked for me in my DRSSTC current limiter.
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nrhoades
Thu Mar 27 2008, 08:52PM
nrhoades Registered Member #610 Joined: Wed Mar 28 2007, 09:44PM
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Good idea... but I can't find anyone who still makes window comparators. Who made the ones you used?
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nrhoades
Mon Mar 31 2008, 07:46PM
nrhoades Registered Member #610 Joined: Wed Mar 28 2007, 09:44PM
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Still couldn't find any single chips. Will this work? What do you think?

1206992798 610 FT42084 Windowcomp1

1206992798 610 FT42084 Windowcomp2
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Steve Conner
Tue Apr 01 2008, 09:32AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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In a google search for "window comparator" the first hit was the LTC1042 datasheet: a single-chip window comparator.

If you want to make your own, the standard circuit uses two comparators arranged like this: Link2

Note this circuit is for comparators with open-collector outputs like the LM339, more info on the page it came from: Link2

To adjust the size of the window, make R2 a variable resistor.
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nrhoades
Tue Apr 01 2008, 03:32PM
nrhoades Registered Member #610 Joined: Wed Mar 28 2007, 09:44PM
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Ahh, thanks.

Though the problem with this circuit is that adjustment of R2 doesn't change the window size linearly.

LTC1042 has a very low sample rate.
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kell
Tue Apr 08 2008, 02:17PM
kell Registered Member #142 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 01:19PM
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Maxim makes a bi-directional current sense chip
Link2
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nrhoades
Tue Apr 08 2008, 05:25PM
nrhoades Registered Member #610 Joined: Wed Mar 28 2007, 09:44PM
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Thanks... the bandwidth of this circuit is much higher than the Allegro chip. Though, it still discriminates current direction and I would still need a window comparator. It is an improvement.
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