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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Mar 23 2008, 11:45AM Print
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I'm in need for a large ferrite core, which I can imagine is hard to get and expensive.
I was thinking, I have a lot of smaller cores, wouldn't it be possible to break these down and make one big core? If this is possible, how it would be accomplished?



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Richard
Sun Mar 23 2008, 12:33PM
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You might find this useful :

Ferrite Processing


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Marko
Sun Mar 23 2008, 01:31PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Plasmaddict wrote ...

I'm in need for a large ferrite core, which I can imagine is hard to get and expensive.
I was thinking, I have a lot of smaller cores, wouldn't it be possible to break these down and make one big core? If this is possible, how it would be accomplished?


Jan, have you looked at this?

Link2

I'm pretty sure he'll be happy to sell you one, + shipping shouldn't be too bad at all considering it's not overseas.

wink

Marko
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Mar 23 2008, 01:43PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Marko wrote ...

Jan, have you looked at this?

Link2

I'm pretty sure he'll be happy to sell you one, + shipping shouldn't be too bad at all considering it's not overseas.
Hmm, GBP 9.99 cost, GBP 9.40 shipping to CZE, total GBP 19.39 or USD $38.5, this is a bit out of my price range... Actually my price range is $0 if I can make a big core from several small ones...

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Shaun
Sun Mar 23 2008, 03:41PM
Shaun Registered Member #690 Joined: Tue May 08 2007, 03:47AM
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I don't know how you would go about making a large core from small ones. I mean, I know ferrite cores are very tolerant to being glued together when they break, but as far as this goes I don't think it will turn out too well.

You can get ferrite powder, sold as Iron (II,III) Oxide or Fe3O4, off of Ebay or various pyrotechnic suppliers like Skylighter or Firefox. I still have about 2 pounds of it for making thermite. What if you took some of this, being a very fine powder, and put it in like a 20 ton hydraulic press or something? You could make a couple very large blocks and glue them together.

I know that much more than this goes into making actual cores, such as the inclusion of a dielectric and so on, but the powder will only cost a few dollars and then you just find a press to use. That's just what first comes to my mind; maybe someone who knows more about ferrites from an electronics standpoint can comment.
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GeordieBoy
Sun Mar 23 2008, 05:42PM
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You might consider connecting several smaller ferrite power transformers in series/parallel to achieve the power level you require, if ETD-59 or E66 core sets are still too small.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Mar 23 2008, 05:58PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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GeordieBoy wrote ...

You might consider connecting several smaller ferrite power transformers in series/parallel to achieve the power level you require, if ETD-59 or E66 core sets are still too small.
Richie- I have a question for you. In all textbooks I have seen, in a section with transformers, there is a formula for calculating maximum power of a transformer. According to it, the power rises with the SQUARE of the cross-sectional area! This is against common sense but it seems to work at least with iron lamination transformers.
Does this mean that if I "pack" two identical cores together, will the available power rise to 4 times that of a single core? Or is there something I'm missing?

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uzzors2k
Sun Mar 23 2008, 05:58PM
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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Marko wrote ...

Jan, have you looked at this?

Link2

Purchased. I hope nobody else here had thought of buying it.
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Tonic
Sun Mar 23 2008, 06:08PM
Tonic Registered Member #528 Joined: Fri Feb 16 2007, 10:32PM
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Uzzors wrote ...

Purchased. I hope nobody else here had thought of buying it.

Better to run away as fast as possible, before someone'll kill you tongue
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Proud Mary
Sun Mar 23 2008, 06:37PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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If you are really short of money, and you can make do with low frequency, how about a bundle of annealed iron wires?

This is what was used in the old times in induction coils.

To anneal the wires, you must first heat them to a high temperature (red-orange >750 °C) and then allow them to cool as slowly as you can - hours.

Annealing alters the micro-structure of the metal, and influences magnetic domain formation.

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