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Capacitors suitable for induction heating?

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uzzors2k
Sun Mar 16 2008, 08:28PM Print
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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I just remembered that I have 25x 100nF polypropylene capacitors. I tried to get some information from the datasheet, but they don't look like high quality caps. I don't quite understand the voltage derating graph, but it doesn't look good to me. So the big question, can they be used for induction heating and how much power could I force through them? They're the 630V/250VAC type. I thought if I immersed them in oil I could keep the temperature under control.

1205699313 95 FT0 Derating

]65-579-87.pdf[/file]
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Experimentonomen
Sun Mar 16 2008, 10:05PM
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Forget them!!! If you want something that works for longr than 1 second you better visit Link2
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uzzors2k
Sun Mar 16 2008, 10:18PM
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That was my next question, how much did your capacitors cost?
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Wolfram
Sun Mar 16 2008, 10:30PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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HFsstc-freak wrote ...

Forget them!!! If you want something that works for longr than 1 second you better visit Link2

Well, Tonskulus did manage to melt steel with an MMC of commonly available PCB-mounted caps.
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Experimentonomen
Sun Mar 16 2008, 10:39PM
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But he told me they are starting to fail one by one.

My celem caps costed me around 30 bucks each.
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teravolt
Mon Mar 17 2008, 02:41AM
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HFsstc-freak did you get yours at celem
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Steve Conner
Mon Mar 17 2008, 10:05AM
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The "knee" in the voltage derating curve, where it changes from flat to dropping 6dB/octave, tells you the RMS current rating of the cap. You just take the voltage shown on the curve at the knee point, and multiply it by 2 pi times the frequency times the capacitance.

It's also the frequency you want to run at to get the maximum kVA, since at this frequency the cap is working at its maximum rated voltage and its maximum rated current.

I agree that those Celem capacitors are rather good smile I got mine on Ebay.
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uzzors2k
Mon Mar 17 2008, 01:12PM
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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That gave me about 8A per cap, so 200A with all 25 in parallel. That's only at 20kHz though.... Did you just buy your caps from celem directly and what was the shipping like, HFsstc-freak?
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Marko
Mon Mar 17 2008, 02:57PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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HFsstc-freak wrote ...

But he told me they are starting to fail one by one.

My celem caps costed me around 30 bucks each.

Didn't you get those at ebay, IIRC?

Does anyone actually have reliable price list of at least some celem caps? I know they are expensive, but I think lots of people would appreciate that.
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Experimentonomen
Mon Mar 17 2008, 03:14PM
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I have a price list.
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