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Weston
Mon Mar 03 2008, 05:47PM Print
Weston Registered Member #1316 Joined: Thu Feb 14 2008, 03:35AM
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can you use a flah lamp as a high current triger? like say takeing a flash camera and puting the coil before the flash bulb?
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Bjørn
Mon Mar 03 2008, 06:10PM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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Yes, but the flash lamp is designed to convert as much as possible of the energy to light so the efficiency will be low.
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Weston
Tue Mar 04 2008, 01:05AM
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cool a $0 coil gun! amazed what would the drop be voltage or curent.
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Simon
Tue Mar 04 2008, 02:37AM
Simon Registered Member #32 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 08:58AM
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You're better off triggering by shorting wires together. My first ventures in CG land worked that way, until I got SCRs and made a massive improvement on efficiency.
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Weston
Tue Mar 04 2008, 03:22AM
Weston Registered Member #1316 Joined: Thu Feb 14 2008, 03:35AM
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i have done that but it makes a very large bang that scared beople. can some one just give me a efficiency %. I know the tubes can switch 30+ amps.
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Shaun
Tue Mar 04 2008, 04:32AM
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I've tried to use xenon flash bulbs as HV switches in my SGTC and in a small coil gun. On the TC, sparklength went from nearly 3 feet to barely 3mm.

As for the coilgun, the projectile that used to shoot through a sheet of card paper didn't even leave the barrel.
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Weston
Tue Mar 04 2008, 05:24AM
Weston Registered Member #1316 Joined: Thu Feb 14 2008, 03:35AM
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what size was the flash bulb? was it a U shape one like in your pic? Was the coil before or after?
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flannelhead
Tue Mar 04 2008, 01:20PM
flannelhead Registered Member #952 Joined: Mon Aug 13 2007, 11:07AM
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Or, of course depending on the size of cap bank, you could just use an arm switch (or what they are called). I also tried the flash bulb trigger thing, but the cg worked alot better with just a switch to connect the coil to the caps. For the switch amperage, my switch was 5A for 400uF@330V. Of course a SCR is the best.

My own question, could a MOSFET, say IRFP460, be used to trigger coilguns? I know it wouldn't work on high energies, but lets say with a small cap bank (<10J)
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Shaun
Tue Mar 04 2008, 11:15PM
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Spark, maybe you are thinking of knife switch? Like the big switches you might see in Dr. Frankenstein's lab?

Yes, the flashbulbs I used were the ones in my avatar, for the TC it was 12 in series and for the coilgun it was a single bulb and a trigger circuit like would normally be used in a camera, but the coil was in series with the lamp. The capacitor was only 150J, but results were still horrible.

(However, the actual avatar has nothing to do with either, its just a bulb hooked up to my ZVS driver with a rare earth magnet above it, out of the picture. The magnetic field makes the electrons want to flow side-to-side, but the voltage drives them forward, resulting in a spiral.)

Oh and yes I believe you could switch a small coilgun with a MOSFET. IIRC the IRFP260 is good to 200ApK.
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Weston
Wed Mar 05 2008, 02:50AM
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I want to bring this into a classroom and the loud bang scares people. Was the coil before or after the bulb. I think if I use a smaller one from a disposable flash camera I might have better results.
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