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uzzors2k
Sat Feb 09 2008, 06:13PM Print
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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Ever since I built my first small magnetic levitator (suspender is more fitting) I've wanted to make something which could lift heavier objects and with a greater distance between the electromagnet and object. On that note how would a MOT core work as an electromagnet core? I was thinking of chopping one up and using a few primaries series together for the winding. Are there any problems I need to look out for? TDU used a ballast in his MKII levitator.
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uzzors2k
Tue Mar 25 2008, 09:00AM
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It's time for some actual experimenting, and before I cut the core can someone at least answer this question. I need something to fasten the core to a frame with, and therefor a minimum amount of core is needed. Which is why I'm not using an I. Which of these two configurations is best, T or E? I imagine that an E would "focus" the field better, but I'm probably wrong. What would be best to send the largest field possible toward an object?
1206435640 95 FT38775 Motcores Field
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue Mar 25 2008, 10:25AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Hi Uzzors, I'm afraid if you use the E, most of the field will be "trapped" between the legs and it will not extend too far away from the core. So I think that "T" is better.

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uzzors2k
Tue Mar 25 2008, 08:34PM
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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Done. The two primaries in the background will be seriesed and used for the winding. Really with all the new winding space I could add a lot more turns, I'll have to see about that.

1206477250 95 FT38775 T Core
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northern_lightning
Wed Mar 26 2008, 05:31PM
northern_lightning Registered Member #1348 Joined: Sun Feb 24 2008, 01:48AM
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sweet! i'd imagine that'll have quite the lift. what type of feedback are you planning on implementing?

i often wondered--with an electromagnet is it best to supply the windings with ac, pulsed dc, or pure dc?
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uzzors2k
Wed Mar 26 2008, 06:51PM
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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I'm thinking of using hall effect sensors, since I used infrared last time. "No strings" is easier to prove then too.

The average magnetic force from an electromagnet is proportional to the average current flowing through it. The north and south poles would be constantly changing with AC, making it impractical. Pulsed DC is best since the electromagnet's inductance can be used to limit the current, instead of a power dissipating resistance. Which is why I'll be using PWM this time instead.
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Tesladownunder
Thu Mar 27 2008, 01:30AM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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You can't use AC or you would be repelling the magnet 50% of the time.
I used Rick Hoadley's circuit. It is important to include the feed forward circuit to make it stable. Without that you may need a copper plate underneath for damping as I use.

TDU
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