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what is the best bonding agent for neodymiums?

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IamSmooth
Tue Dec 11 2007, 04:28AM Print
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Someone recommended slow-drying Araldite Epoxy. Is this stuff the best? How would it compare to epoxy I can get at Home Depot or Gorilla Glue?

When I googled the epoxy there were so many formulations. Which is the right one?

Thanks
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Tue Dec 11 2007, 06:00AM
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I would use CA (super) glue. I think that for an application like this it would be idea, and extremely strong.

Short of that, the most fluid longest curing epoxy you can find would probably be the best bet, just make sure that is says it s good for bonding metal.

BTW, it would help to scratch up the plating on the magnet and what you are gluing it to before hand, just make sure to give it a wipe with acetone/isoprople alcohol/etc afterward). Just make sure you don't go through the plating on the magnet.
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Bjørn
Tue Dec 11 2007, 08:09AM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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Some times the plating just falls off by itself so I would not depend on it unless you have some special magnets made for the purpose.
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Coyote Wilde
Tue Dec 11 2007, 10:03PM
Coyote Wilde Registered Member #175 Joined: Tue Feb 14 2006, 09:32PM
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Are they the metal/chrome plating or the epoxy coated magnets? I've seen both.
Either way, I'd encapsulate in resin with a fibreglass matte to hold them in... just to be safe. But I can be paranoid like that.
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Firnagzen
Wed Dec 12 2007, 03:08AM
Firnagzen Registered Member #567 Joined: Tue Mar 06 2007, 10:55AM
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I don't like those chrome plated magnets, the coating will come off after a while, so if that's the sort you have, I'd agree with Coyote- Encapsulate the magnet entirely. Not too thick a coating, however, or the effect will be reduced.
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Shaun
Wed Dec 12 2007, 03:24AM
Shaun Registered Member #690 Joined: Tue May 08 2007, 03:47AM
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If you use a razor blade you can cut a slit in the plating and then just peel it off, and glue to the magnet underneath. I have done this with a medium size Ni-Cu-Ni plated magnet.

The magnet material is pretty rough and would probably bond well to superglue or epoxy. Of course to avoid oxidation you would only peel off the plating on the face you planned to glue.

Just wondering, what is this for that the hugely strong attraction the magnets will already have is not enough?
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Spedy
Wed Dec 12 2007, 04:15PM
Spedy Registered Member #964 Joined: Wed Aug 22 2007, 12:39AM
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Maybe he's planning on making a hallback (spelling?) array, where they don't like to stick together by themselves. Is this what your doing?

As others have said, I would suggest CA or epoxy of some sort
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stop4stuff
Wed Dec 12 2007, 06:10PM
stop4stuff Registered Member #64 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:25AM
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iamsmooth...

I've been following your Q's on fieldlines...
Do you want to fix the neos to a steel disc for a dual axial flux alternator?
If so the best ppl to ask are the guys on fieldlines, they've been doing for years

fwiw... neos are mostly nickel plated, the bonding agent you use to stick the nickel to a steel plate (+ magnetic attraction) is mostly stronger than the nickel plating to neo. The nickel will split/peel in time allowing moisture into the magnet causing corrosion and swelling... CA glue absorbs moisture too.
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