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Derek_L
Thu Nov 29 2007, 03:37PM Print
Derek_L Registered Member #1125 Joined: Fri Nov 16 2007, 09:13PM
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 62
Hello,

I am 80% sure on this and would just like second opinions.
The motor I have is as following.


1196350427 1125 FT0 Imgp0055

1196350427 1125 FT0 Imgp0057


The ohmout is as follows

White to Red - 17 ohm
White to Black - 12 ohm
Red to Black - 5 ohm

Here is my question
White and Black to power?
Red to Black Starting Cap?

I am unsure if the capacitance they give there is starting or running and where to put it.

Ive hooked this up white and black to mains and have had it spin CCW adn CW and sometimes fail to lock onto sync (Locked Rotor)

Anything you guys can throw at me ill pick up.

Thanks,

Derek L
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Steve Conner
Thu Nov 29 2007, 04:06PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 6706
The cap will probably be for running, not just starting. Sync motors have two windings inside, one powered straight from the line, the other powered through the capacitor to give it a phase shift. From your ohm readings, the black wire is the common, and the two windings come out on white and red. So, one possible hookup might be:

Black to AC supply neutral
White to AC supply hot
Red to AC supply hot via 25uF motor run cap

Of course, I could have it wrong, maybe red goes straight to hot, and white goes via the capacitor. The way to check is to load it (lean on the shaft with a lump of wood or something) and check that you can get the current draw up to the nameplate value before you lose sync. If the cap is on the wrong winding, the motor probably won't make its rated power.
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Derek_L
Mon Dec 10 2007, 11:45PM
Derek_L Registered Member #1125 Joined: Fri Nov 16 2007, 09:13PM
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 62
well there was virtually no difference between the way I suggested and you suggestion steve HOWEVER
No-Load current was lower my way
The most load I could put on had a lower current draw my way
Motor would stall at start my way

I was still unable to cause it to loose with a block of wood, maybe ill try again later...
any good way to tell syncronism? I dont have any magnetically ballisted florecents so I guess thats out.

Any suggestions welcome.

Thanks steve
Derek L
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Marko
Tue Dec 11 2007, 12:08AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
Location: Zadar, Croatia
Posts: 3145
Is the capacitor usually connected to higher resistance or lower resistance winding?

I guess you could know by that.
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Derek_L
Tue Dec 11 2007, 03:08AM
Derek_L Registered Member #1125 Joined: Fri Nov 16 2007, 09:13PM
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 62
ok my shaft break was two pieces of wood that I clamp together around the shaft.

Here is my findings

Motor
Black - Hot
White - Cap
Red - Neutral
NoLoad - 2.88
FullLoad - 4
Couldnt stall Unsure of speed
shitload of torque at start

B - H
W - N
R - Cap
NL - 0.88
1.12 loose sync
Medium pressure on board to unsync
can position rotor in spot to make it not start

B - N
W - H
R - Cap
NL - 0.93
1.22 looses sync
medium pressure on board to unsync
cant position rotor in spot to make it not start

B - Cap
W - N
R - H
NL - 0.926
stalls easy

B - Cap
W - H
R - N
NL - 0.939
Stall Easy

B - N
W- CAP
R - H
NL - 2.33
FL - 2.1 (Decreasing amperage upon loading)
Cant make it go unsync

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Derek_L
Sat Dec 15 2007, 02:40PM
Derek_L Registered Member #1125 Joined: Fri Nov 16 2007, 09:13PM
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 62
Anything?
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Steve Conner
Sun Dec 16 2007, 12:27PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 6706
Well, the connection that gives the most torque and reliable starting without exceeding the nameplate amps is what you want :P
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Derek_L
Sun Dec 16 2007, 04:08PM
Derek_L Registered Member #1125 Joined: Fri Nov 16 2007, 09:13PM
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 62
Thanks Jerk :P
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